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that has been disconnected
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[Tom] O.J., it's Tom again.
Can you to hear me?

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Hey, hang on the line,
I wanna talk to you.

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Okay. I'm still here.

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I'm just getting
a little interference here.

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You're going to break our
hearts, don't do this.

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That's okay. Listen,

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there's nothing
to be sorry about.

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My name is Tom Lang.

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I am a former LAPD homicide
detective of 29 years.

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[line trilling]
Hello, O.J.? You still there?

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He's thinking.

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I've been involved in
250 different homicides.

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One murder investigation
still bothers me.

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[Operator] 911 emergency.

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[Nicole] Yeah. Can you send
someone to my house?

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[Operator] Oh, okay. Is he the
sportscaster or whatever?

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[Nicole] Yeah.

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[Operator]
Is he threatening you?

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[Nicole]
Please send somebody over.

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[Tom] It's the double murder,
that occurred

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at 875 South Bundy.

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[Operator] Is he black, white
or Hispanic?

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[Nicole] Black.

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[Tom] I was the lead detective
in that case.

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The evidence led to one suspect
and that was O.J. Simpson.

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[Operator] He's back, okay,
what does he look like?

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[Nicole] He's O.J. Simpson.
I think you know his record.

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[Tom] The Hall of Fame,
NFL football player and actor.

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[Nicole] He just drove up again.

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[Operator]
What kind of car is he in?

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[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco.
But first of all,

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he broke the back door down...

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[Tom] In what has been referred
to as the trial of the century.

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O.J. was found not guilty
of killing his ex-wife,

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Nicole Brown Simpson,
and her friend Ron Goldman.

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- [Nicole] O.J.
- [Operator] O.J.

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Back then, we were gagged.

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We couldn't talk to anybody,
couldn't talk to the media,

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couldn't discuss the case
with anybody else.

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Victims had
their throat slashed.

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I'm not gagged now.

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All these years later,
I could tell a story,

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why it happened. The fact that
it shouldn't have happened.

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We've got the evidence
to show it.

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[Tom] Hang on the line.
I want to talk to you.

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- [O.J.] I'm here.
- [Tom] Okay, I'm still here.

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Just getting a little
interference here.

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Can you hear me?
O.J.? He's gone again.

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O.J., you there?

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[O.J.] Uh...

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[Tom] Get rid of the gun.

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[O.J.] Uh...

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[Tom]
Nobody's going to get hurt.

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Man to man, right?

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Listen, you've been a man
Listen, you've been a man
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Don't give in now.

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[Reporter] And there are reports
that blood stained clothes

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a in Simpson's home.

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[Man] We can't jump the gun.

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We can't afford
to make a mistake.

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We are very meticulous
in what we do.

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You don't know the facts
of the case.

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This is where he parked the
Bronco, the night of the murder.

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A lot of things have changed

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approaching Bundy
where 875 used to be.

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[Reporter] An L.A. homicide
detective says

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O.J. Simpson's arrest
is imminent.

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Simpson trial was held
right here.

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[Reporter] It began early on the
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Neighbors discovered
the bloody murder scene.

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He's shocked.
He's really grieving.

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He's upset.

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Mr. Simpson is a fugitive
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I plead 100% not guilty.

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This is a trial about the man
that murdered my son.

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[Woman] Is a trail of blood from
[Woman] Is a trail of blood from
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and into the defendant's
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linked by the defendant's
white Ford Bronco.

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Get out of the way.

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[Man] You think O.J. had a bag
with the bloody clothes

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- and the knife?
- [Man] There!

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Have you ever heard
the term cover up?

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[Reporter]
Recognized around the world,

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first for speed
and athletic grace and now

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for a grisly,
gripping murder case.

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[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have the
right to remain silent.

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If you give up the right
to remain silent,

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anything you say can
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in a court of law.

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Do you understand your rights?

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[Tom] Are there any questions
about that?

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[Tom] Okay. You going to speak
up audibly.

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[Tom] You can never have too
much evidence in a murder case

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period.

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It's almost embarrassing
to articulate.

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But the prosecution withheld
a lot of evidence

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really pisses you off
after a while.

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There's good evidence.
People don't realize that.

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This was just after
the Rodney King riots.

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The officers in that trial
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The LAPD in particular,
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by the populace of L.A..

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Eye for an eye,
tooth for a tooth.

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[Tom] So the prosecution is a
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I think, not to put on
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brought by the LAPD.

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Okay, I want people
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to walk away with the truth.

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I don't want them to have a
comic book version of this case.

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[O.J.] Is that I did not,
could not, would not

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have committed this crime.

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I have four kids,
kids I haven't seen in a year.

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All you can do
is all you can do.

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[Reporter]
Los Angeles homicide detective

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But hey, we've got witnesses.
We've got experts.

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They're going to tell this
audience what happened for real,

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they're not going to juice it.

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My name is Michelle Kessler,

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former employee of the
Los Angeles Police Department.

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I was involved in
many high profile cases.

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Hillside Strangler case,
nude bodies were found

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on the hilly slopes
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ARamirez is a devil worshiper

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And of course,
the O.J. Simpson case.

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I'm Alan Park,
O.J. Simpson's limousine driver.

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The night of June 12, 1994.

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6' 200lbs, it just seems to be
a pretty big female.

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You wouldn't lie to me
when I talk to you, would you?

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My name is Rod Englert. I'm a
crime scene reconstructionist.

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Now, let me tell you, the shots
that are fired, there's three.

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He was convicted and is doing
life in the penitentiary.

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I've worked on some
very high profile cases.

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Robert Blake.

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[Woman] We the jury find the
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of the crime of first degree
murder of Bonny Lee Bakley.

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I was retained in this
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to do a reconstruction of what
did or didn't occur.

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California versus O.J. Simpson.

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Okay, get your knife. It's very
important we start a time.

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Just and it was sort of like,
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you're on the edge of your seat.
I'm on the edge of my seat.

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Listening of is he lying?
This guy's lying, like... Yes.

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[Reporter] As Clark stared down
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This isn't for entertainment
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I'm not an actor. Okay?

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I'm going to put this out.
What really happened?

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Number one, I'm tired of people
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the lawyers.

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This will clear all of that up.
We're going to get to everything

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that screwed this case up.
What happened happened.

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You don't buy it.
You buy it.

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It's still gonna tell you
2 and 2 is 4,

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I'm not a salesman.

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[Rod] This will be
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the physical evidence,
the autopsy, the blood patterns,

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trace evidence, and the patterns
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and at the scene.

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I was retained in this case
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a crime scene reconstruction

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with emphasis
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and to be able to
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This what appeared to be
a large puzzle at the time.

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[Nicole] He's going to beat the
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[Operator] Wait a minute,
just stay on the line

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- Okay Nicole?
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[Rod] So I have these props
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to be able to reconstruct based
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There's no speculation here.

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The attacker comes to
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and I want to put on the props.

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[Tom] This is about the victims.
That's where we're here.

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That's our job.
We gotta find out who did this.

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I asked you to go back up
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And when the attacker
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and she have contusions
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that penetrate down
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She goes down on the ground
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making a pool of blood
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this particular area, but it's
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simultaneously to that as Ron
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Hey, hey, hey.
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which is a very fatal wound
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down his pant leg and they will
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that's projecting large and
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They back up into this area,
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by stomping in the blood of
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from her wounds.
She's bleeding profusely.

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I am backed up against her
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and as you pull it off, let it
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along with the
glasses that drop.

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[Tom] And every question that
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and he was never called.
There's no reason for that,

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except I have my own opinion
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If you want to hear that?

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[Rod] During the struggle,
I'm trying to get in your throat

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and then you reach up and pull
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It will fall there to
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[Tom] This is the LAPD on trial.

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This is the LAPD who've been
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of planting evidence
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they were being fed this
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Fine. But you can't put evidence
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who found the evidence.
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legally in a court of law,
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in court, you can't just come in
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and say, we want this, we want
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The prosecutor,
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did not want to appear
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[Rod] You get the knife in
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cutting in the margins
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different planes creating what's
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And as we go over to the area
here, we're still fighting.

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You will go around and then down
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your pager will pop off
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And as it comes off, you will
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the bottom rail
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And I go back over to Nicole,
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capturing and cutting a large
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and then goes over to
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There's two grab marks and blood
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Grab Mark is consistent
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because in the scene photograph,
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and then the attacker
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will cut his throat also,
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The attacker will leave
and go over to Nicole,

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step on and put an impression
of the Bruno Magli shoe

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onto her right side
below the arm,

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and then continue and drop blood
from cutting his own finger

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when attacking Ron
will drip blood to the left,

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continue all the way
back to the alley,

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which is about 200 feet back.

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There is so much evidence in
this case, the only way

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that the defense can work
towards resolving it

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in their favor
is to just throwing dirt

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to take the attention away
from the case in chief.

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O and the cover up continues.

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[Tom] This is the only
personal journal that exists

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in this entire case.

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It is currently in
the Law Enforcement Museum

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in Washington, DC.

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This is personal. These are
observations that I made,

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people I had dealings with, and
it's the case in my own words

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and my own thoughts
and my own deeds.

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I'm using a rubber glove.
It's human blood.

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That is medium velocity spatter.

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[Tom] Photographed here, we're
very interested in

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this blood droplet or cast off
whatever you want to call it,

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possibly from a wound you said
or maybe a murder weapon.

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We don't know. But we want this
because it's out of place.

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[Rod] But the thing that's
significant, it shows up,

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up here by the steps
and it goes all the way back,

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drops like that
to the back gate,

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which about 200 feet away
to the alley.

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[Tom] I made a specific request
through the investigator

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- to collect all of this blood.
- You did say that.

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Oh, I said that
and she wrote it down.

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Again everything goes sideways,
sometimes at the worst times,

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the coroner's investigator
was off with a broken leg,

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so they did not have
a criminalist there.

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So instead of somebody inquiring
washed the body down.

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Which can be
the attackers blood.

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Yeah, the donor
could be the attacker.

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[Tom] Yeah. And of course,
the defense got all over us.

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The real story behind this,
however, just inches away,

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we have a similar drop
on the sole of the left boot.

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Here it is right here,
Ron Goldman.

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- Okay.
- We have this, is a droplet

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- or a cast off tailing down.
- And it's not disturbed.

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- Blood's everywhere.
- Yeah, but no some's fallen

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in the air after these two
are down and they're immobile.

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So what would that be? Right.

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The knife. Because they had
knife wounds or like you said,

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the attacker.

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Thank God the coroner didn't get
hold of that boot

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and wash it down.

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So we were able to get the blood
off of the sole of the boot.

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Take your eye off the ball
or off the prize.

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If you deviate from
what you normally do,

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you're going to screw it up.

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Whose blood is on that droplet?
It's a mixture.

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Both victims
is on that blood droplet.

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Came from a common source
to further corroborate,

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we look at the same area here,
indicating what appears to be

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a footwear impression
right here. See that?

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Turns out that that is a
footwear impression

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from a pair of
Bruno Magli shoes.

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At this point, the FBI had
identified the bloody footwear

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impressions at the crime scene
as being from Bruno Maglis,

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but we couldn't at that point
put Bruno Maglis

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on Simpson's feet.

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Dominic Brown is
Nicole's younger sister,

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so I met her for lunch
and I said,

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I've got six pictures
I want to show you.

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They're all of shoes, she goes
right to the Bruno Maglis.

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She says, O.J. has
shoes like that.

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So I'm thinking this is
a little too good to be true.

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So she says Nicole was
back in New York in January

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and she may have bought
them for him at that time,

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but I don't know for sure.

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There she also bought some
Bruno Maglis for herself.

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She wore 'em for a while
and just she didn't

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really care for them,
so she gave them to me.

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So really, in fact,
I'm wearing them.

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She takes off for Bruno Maglis
and puts them on the table.

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That's pretty good stuff.

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Why would you not want to have
her testify to that in court?

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And that never happened.
It turns out that

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the Bruno Maglis at
the crime scene, were size 12.

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His athletic shoes,
by his own admission

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that he was wearing
were size 12 also.

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If Simpson turns out,
if he's a size 10,

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that's exculpatory evidence,
defense would use that.

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And that's enough for a juror
to say, well,

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it couldn't have been him,
this is different shoe size.

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We've got nothing like that.

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Wife beater, rapist, murderer.

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[Reporter]
There is enough evidence

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to put Simpson on trial.

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About two or three days
after the murders occurred.

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Defense attorneys at the time,
Bob Shapiro.

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Is it not 60?
Is it 10,000?

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[Tom] He came to our office
at robbery homicide in his style

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requested, suggested
that he could perhaps help

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our investigation along
as a defense attorney

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if he would provide us with a
criminalist and a pathologist

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to assist us with our
investigation of the body

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as evidence, but that is brassy,

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so I guess we can't
blame him for trying.

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It didn't work that way.

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Now, as we're sitting here doing
the crime scene investigation,

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this pager continually went off
the entire night.

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We find out coworkers at the
Mezzaluna Restaurant

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was trying to get a hold of him,
that this was kind of eerie

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listening to this. This is going
on throughout the whole night.

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We're doing the whole crime
scene investigation,

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but it turns out it was,
in fact, his friend.

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They wanted to go out drinking.

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[Rod] Look at the blood that's
on the small tree transfer.

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He had to be up against that.

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And then there's a little pool
of blood where he was

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up against that so that when the
attacker went over to Nicole

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to cut her throat, then he came
back to him and cut his throat.

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And that's what evidence does.
It tells that he was

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in this seated position
before being pulled over

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and then his throat was cut.

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[Tom] So he was going between
her and him.

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- [Rod] Exactly.
- [Tom] More than once.

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[Rod] You know why? Because he
want to make sure they're dead.

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And the only way to do that
in this person,

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- the attacker's mind.
- Yeah?

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Here's the cap, again,
the Bruno Magli

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footwear impression here.
Very important stuff.

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00:16:05,098 --> 00:16:06,700
And note, she's still bleeding

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because the blood is running
over the top of the footprint.

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She's nearly decapitated.

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As we remove her body, you can
see her vertebra from the front.

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If you look at Ron Goldman,
you have, you know, like

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20 different sized stab wounds.
Ron fought hard, hard, hard.

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Ron, he was just at the wrong
place at the wrong time.

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The blood in here is everywhere.

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Nicole, she was in the wrong
place for a long time.

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[Tom] And that became a bone of
contention later on

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when we were also accused of
planting the blood.

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Yeah, which is something else.
But then you and later...

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[Rod] But you had to have
knowledge on how to plant it.

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Well, to make it fit.

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[Tom] Not only that,
but Simpson's blood

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w-we picked up at the scene.
He's back in Chicago,

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so how did we get his blood
from Chicago to here?

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[Rod] Yeah.

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[Tom] Well, it didn't
make any sense.

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I know, I know.
Listen to this.

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So there's a city of
8 million people.

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00:16:51,311 --> 00:16:52,579
- Yeah?
- You have a Bronco,

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00:16:52,679 --> 00:16:53,813
that's a scene.

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You have Bundy Street,
that's a scene.

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00:16:56,082 --> 00:16:57,642
And you have Rockingham.
That's a scene.

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00:16:57,684 --> 00:17:01,688
You got all three people's blood
at each one of those locations

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in that two hour period.

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00:17:03,757 --> 00:17:06,026
And it's so simple.
It is so simple.

393
00:17:06,092 --> 00:17:08,762
So everybody was taking shots
at everybody else.

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Everybody pointing fingers
in every direction.

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00:17:10,864 --> 00:17:14,034
We were fighting, not just
involving in the case

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00:17:14,167 --> 00:17:16,036
and these attorneys,
but the media.

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00:17:16,169 --> 00:17:20,573
Rod Englert alluded to some of
this when his home was prowled,

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00:17:20,707 --> 00:17:22,509
there was a team for the defense

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00:17:22,575 --> 00:17:24,177
that was going
through people's trash.

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00:17:24,244 --> 00:17:28,548
Friends of mine at my church
were contacted secretly

401
00:17:28,682 --> 00:17:30,083
because I was a youth leader.

402
00:17:30,216 --> 00:17:34,421
People were interviewed about
my interaction with kids.

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00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:39,059
Yes, it did affect my life.
It was both my wife, my family.

404
00:17:39,092 --> 00:17:42,562
Now, before Ron Goldman was
removed, you couldn't see

405
00:17:42,696 --> 00:17:44,731
the keys because
they were concealed.

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You can see the drag marks here
after the pull the body out.

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00:17:48,601 --> 00:17:52,439
Keys are interesting because he
was probably holding the keys.

408
00:17:52,572 --> 00:17:54,474
The keys belong
to his girlfriend.

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He drove her car
the night of the murders.

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00:17:57,911 --> 00:18:00,914
When these keys were picked up,
they were booked into evidence.

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00:18:01,014 --> 00:18:03,616
There was no blood in those keys
and they were booked

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and they were consequently
released to the girlfriend.

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00:18:07,153 --> 00:18:09,155
She made a complaint when
she got the keys back

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said, oh, there's blood all over
them, they were terrible

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00:18:11,224 --> 00:18:12,492
- and everything else.
- Right.

416
00:18:12,592 --> 00:18:15,562
Well, somehow the defense
got a hold of this statement.

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00:18:15,628 --> 00:18:19,566
The defense said, well, perhaps
the real suspect

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got the keys from Ron
and there was blood on them.

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00:18:22,936 --> 00:18:26,306
And that blood belongs to
perhaps the real suspect

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using the keys as a weapon.

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00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:30,152
[Rod] There's no speculation,
there's no guesswork where

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the donor has been identified
with those particular patterns.

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It made it very, very solid.

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[Tom] Because we have a mixture
of blood coming from

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a common murder weapon
and his sole to this day,

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the defense claims, well,
there's probably a second one.

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00:18:45,058 --> 00:18:46,793
There's no evidence
of a second one.

428
00:18:46,860 --> 00:18:49,362
We looked for that evidence.
I looked for that evidence.

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00:18:49,462 --> 00:18:53,099
I examined every piece of that
sidewalk and then going

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all the way back to the back,
about 200 feet to where

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00:18:56,336 --> 00:18:58,304
the Bronco was parked
in the alley.

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00:18:58,438 --> 00:19:00,540
And there's no evidence
whatsoever that there was

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00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,175
more than one individual.

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00:19:02,308 --> 00:19:04,444
[Tom] The evidence tells us
without any doubt,

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00:19:04,511 --> 00:19:06,022
because of the blood
and because of this,

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00:19:06,046 --> 00:19:07,514
- there's only one suspect.
- Right.

437
00:19:07,647 --> 00:19:10,483
When we came, the blood is going
all the way down the walkway

438
00:19:10,617 --> 00:19:13,620
and she just about bled out.
When we did the autopsy.

439
00:19:13,687 --> 00:19:16,823
She didn't have a whole lot
of blood in her.

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00:19:22,395 --> 00:19:24,497
As far as my role
in the OJ Simpson case,

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00:19:24,631 --> 00:19:28,401
I was involved in
examining the Bronco.

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00:19:28,501 --> 00:19:29,836
[Tom] John Rogers,
remember John?

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00:19:30,036 --> 00:19:31,471
- Yes.
- [Tom] Good guy,

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00:19:31,538 --> 00:19:35,141
classmate of mine, he calls me
at about 3-3:15 in the morning,

445
00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:37,510
Tom, the captain wants to buy
you a cup of coffee.

446
00:19:39,346 --> 00:19:41,681
No, hello, how are you?
I'm sorry I woke you.

447
00:19:41,815 --> 00:19:43,416
So we know we got
something going on.

448
00:19:43,516 --> 00:19:46,586
So he tells me they have this
double O.J. Simpson's ex-wife,

449
00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:48,188
I think he said,
may be involved,

450
00:19:48,254 --> 00:19:49,589
but we don't know for sure.

451
00:19:49,689 --> 00:19:51,769
They got all of Bundy
blocked off. He's on the steps.

452
00:19:51,858 --> 00:19:54,594
The lower part of the steps,
four feet, ten inches away.

453
00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,930
There's a second victim,
Ron Goldman.

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When the sun came up,
we begin to find more blood.

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00:19:59,833 --> 00:20:03,670
This is Rockingham gate,
the blood tailed up the driveway

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00:20:03,737 --> 00:20:06,873
and right into the house. A
Bronco was parked out in front.

457
00:20:06,940 --> 00:20:09,876
I had nothing against
O.J. Simpson, and I was shocked

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00:20:09,943 --> 00:20:11,511
that he was a suspect.

459
00:20:11,578 --> 00:20:14,547
Here's the master bedroom.
These are O.J. socks he took off

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00:20:14,614 --> 00:20:16,094
when he returned
from the crime scene.

461
00:20:16,216 --> 00:20:18,051
So the bathroom is
back over here.

462
00:20:18,184 --> 00:20:20,020
What's interesting,
your guys went up there

463
00:20:20,086 --> 00:20:22,422
and they checked the sink
and they check the shower stall

464
00:20:22,555 --> 00:20:24,891
because Simpson had said that
he took a shower,

465
00:20:24,958 --> 00:20:28,061
but in the sink
and the shower stall,

466
00:20:28,128 --> 00:20:29,696
the bar soap
lying in the bottom,

467
00:20:29,763 --> 00:20:30,764
what do we find?

468
00:20:30,897 --> 00:20:32,599
- Blood.
- Blood. Traces of blood.

469
00:20:32,732 --> 00:20:35,068
So we know he was in the shower.

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Now you can see some of these
photos where you start to see

471
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stains by the naked eye.
Smears of blood everywhere.

472
00:20:43,309 --> 00:20:47,313
Began to believe it was really
O.J. Simpson and nobody else.

473
00:20:52,686 --> 00:20:55,655
He has a knife.
She's nearly decapitated.

474
00:20:55,722 --> 00:20:57,023
He is stabbed.

475
00:20:57,157 --> 00:21:00,160
When the sun came up,
begin to find more blood.

476
00:21:00,226 --> 00:21:03,329
In the sink
and the shower stall.

477
00:21:03,463 --> 00:21:06,166
The bar soap lying in the bottom
what do we find?

478
00:21:06,232 --> 00:21:07,667
- Blood.
- Blood.

479
00:21:07,734 --> 00:21:10,403
This is what, 25 years later
that there was a second suspect.

480
00:21:10,503 --> 00:21:14,073
They can't tell you why. They
say the cops planted evidence,

481
00:21:14,074 --> 00:21:16,743
but they can't show us evidence
of the cops planting evidence.

482
00:21:16,843 --> 00:21:19,145
They said the lab was
involved in this conspiracy,

483
00:21:19,212 --> 00:21:21,181
but they can't show us
any evidence of that.

484
00:21:21,247 --> 00:21:23,416
And I don't know if you can
imagine how many people

485
00:21:23,516 --> 00:21:26,353
it would take to
pull together this conspiracy.

486
00:21:26,419 --> 00:21:28,922
Basically, overnight,
the evidence in general

487
00:21:29,089 --> 00:21:32,258
was found within 24 hours.

488
00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:36,229
[Tom] The LAPD has a policy
that all searches,

489
00:21:36,363 --> 00:21:39,232
after they're completed,
will be videotaped

490
00:21:39,366 --> 00:21:41,368
to show that we have not
trashed it.

491
00:21:41,434 --> 00:21:43,570
The defense gets the video
that we took.

492
00:21:43,703 --> 00:21:45,205
We turned it over
to the defense.

493
00:21:45,271 --> 00:21:46,511
Looking at the video, they say,

494
00:21:46,573 --> 00:21:47,933
wait a minute,
where are the socks?

495
00:21:48,008 --> 00:21:50,343
There's no socks here.
They must have been planted.

496
00:21:50,410 --> 00:21:51,778
They're not in the video.

497
00:21:51,878 --> 00:21:55,215
Unknowing to them, when the
video was actually made

498
00:21:55,348 --> 00:21:58,752
after, not before, this is very
simply explained

499
00:21:58,885 --> 00:22:01,354
where the video was taken after.

500
00:22:01,421 --> 00:22:05,225
Today, people still say,
what about the socks thing?

501
00:22:05,558 --> 00:22:07,794
There were a little over 1,000
crime scene photos

502
00:22:07,894 --> 00:22:10,063
of the Bronco, of Rockingham,
of Bundy

503
00:22:10,130 --> 00:22:11,865
and all turned over
to the defense.

504
00:22:11,931 --> 00:22:14,567
This is August 27th.
So this is a

505
00:22:14,634 --> 00:22:15,902
little over two months later

506
00:22:15,969 --> 00:22:17,380
and they don't know
where the bodies were

507
00:22:17,404 --> 00:22:19,072
at the crime scene?
No, they had no idea.

508
00:22:19,205 --> 00:22:20,883
They thought the bodies were
by the front doors.

509
00:22:20,907 --> 00:22:23,777
I said no, they're down here
near the front gate.

510
00:22:23,910 --> 00:22:26,746
This is where Nicole was.
This is where Ron was over here.

511
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:29,082
And they're not taking any
notes, but there's plenty of

512
00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:31,251
camera work going on
with the media.

513
00:22:33,286 --> 00:22:34,988
You can see in
this picture right here,

514
00:22:35,088 --> 00:22:37,891
my hair used to be red
and not white.

515
00:22:37,957 --> 00:22:39,426
- Okay.
- But anyway,

516
00:22:39,492 --> 00:22:42,896
we went in to examine the Bronco
for blood patterns.

517
00:22:42,962 --> 00:22:46,800
To our surprise,
we found a lot more blood.

518
00:22:46,933 --> 00:22:50,403
You can see some of these photos
that I have here

519
00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:53,940
where you start to see stains
by the naked eye.

520
00:22:54,007 --> 00:22:56,009
Smears of blood everywhere.

521
00:22:56,109 --> 00:23:00,313
Began to believe it was really
O.J. Simpson and nobody else

522
00:23:00,447 --> 00:23:03,049
when there was no other blood
found at the crime scene

523
00:23:03,116 --> 00:23:05,051
except the victims

524
00:23:05,118 --> 00:23:09,055
and O.J. Simpson's by th... where
he said he parked his car.

525
00:23:09,122 --> 00:23:12,125
[Tom] When we take the doors
off, take the console out,

526
00:23:12,192 --> 00:23:14,828
take the seats out,
take the back out,

527
00:23:14,961 --> 00:23:17,831
strip everything out. We find a
lot of interesting stuff.

528
00:23:17,964 --> 00:23:20,967
We were accused of finding all
this extra blood,

529
00:23:21,101 --> 00:23:25,538
more of it as planting it.
It's another stab to the heart.

530
00:23:25,638 --> 00:23:30,076
The jurors, that was another
story testifying.

531
00:23:30,143 --> 00:23:33,113
And I look over and you try to
talk to the jury

532
00:23:33,179 --> 00:23:34,948
and you try to speak
in lay terms

533
00:23:35,081 --> 00:23:38,318
and they're taking notes and
kind of giggling to each other

534
00:23:38,385 --> 00:23:40,987
and whispering,
I can't believe that Judge Ito

535
00:23:41,087 --> 00:23:44,891
didn't put a stop to that, nor
did the prosecuting attorneys

536
00:23:44,991 --> 00:23:46,226
say anything.

537
00:23:46,326 --> 00:23:48,695
Everything was attacked.
That's their only defense.

538
00:23:48,828 --> 00:23:50,497
They're going to
tell you it was lies.

539
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:53,199
They're going to tell you
it was a conspiracy.

540
00:23:53,333 --> 00:23:55,669
We were very happy that
we found this amount of blood

541
00:23:55,802 --> 00:23:57,971
because in those days,
analyzing DNA,

542
00:23:58,104 --> 00:24:00,473
you needed a lot of blood.
We proved that it was

543
00:24:00,540 --> 00:24:05,145
a combination of Ron Goldman,
Nicole Simpson and O.J. Simpson.

544
00:24:05,211 --> 00:24:10,316
Evidence that was collected from
the Bronco is enormous.

545
00:24:10,383 --> 00:24:14,054
Get any prosecutor in the
country that prosecutes cases,

546
00:24:14,187 --> 00:24:16,356
would love to have
what's just in the Bronco.

547
00:24:16,489 --> 00:24:18,058
[O.J.] Just tell them
I'm all sorry.

548
00:24:18,158 --> 00:24:20,360
Y and tomorrow that I was sorry

549
00:24:20,427 --> 00:24:23,163
and that I'm sorry that I did
this to the police department.

550
00:24:23,229 --> 00:24:25,269
[Tom] Listen, I think you
should tell them yourself.

551
00:24:25,331 --> 00:24:29,068
After the chase, we obviously
searched... searched the rear.

552
00:24:29,069 --> 00:24:30,503
We searched the whole thing.

553
00:24:30,570 --> 00:24:32,072
You gonna go to the house?

554
00:24:32,172 --> 00:24:33,683
[O.J.] That's where I told you
we weren't... you know,

555
00:24:33,707 --> 00:24:35,747
you just let them all know.
You let the police know,

556
00:24:35,775 --> 00:24:37,544
you let them all know
I wasn't running.

557
00:24:37,610 --> 00:24:38,945
[Tom]
I know you weren't running.

558
00:24:39,079 --> 00:24:41,381
This was Simpson's mobile phone
that I spoke to him with.

559
00:24:41,514 --> 00:24:44,351
[Rod] And that was during the
Bronco chase after the murder.

560
00:24:44,417 --> 00:24:45,919
- The slow chase?
- Yeah.

561
00:24:46,086 --> 00:24:47,530
- [Tom] You there?
- [O.J.] Just let me get to

562
00:24:47,554 --> 00:24:48,931
- my house.
- Okay. We're going to do that.

563
00:24:48,955 --> 00:24:50,499
[O.J.] I swear to you,
I'll give you what...

564
00:24:50,523 --> 00:24:52,234
I'll give you me,
I'll give you my whole body.

565
00:24:52,258 --> 00:24:53,736
[Tom] Just throw the gun
out the window.

566
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,529
Let's look at this disguise kit,
of significance in this kit,

567
00:24:56,596 --> 00:24:59,199
see, you got a little beard,
and a mustache here.

568
00:24:59,265 --> 00:25:03,636
But what's significant
is May the 27th, 1994.

569
00:25:03,737 --> 00:25:07,040
So this disguise kit was bought
two weeks before the murders.

570
00:25:07,073 --> 00:25:08,575
Why would he have
a disguise kit?

571
00:25:08,641 --> 00:25:09,943
This was found in the back seat.

572
00:25:10,076 --> 00:25:12,045
- Premeditation. Premeditation.
- Yeah.

573
00:25:12,078 --> 00:25:14,214
Later is in pursuit.
He's got a gun.

574
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:17,050
Here's the gun right here.
A revolver.

575
00:25:17,083 --> 00:25:20,387
This becomes very important
to my conversations with him,

576
00:25:20,453 --> 00:25:22,322
that isn't brought
into evidence.

577
00:25:22,422 --> 00:25:24,424
Just have A.C. pull over
and just toss that gun out

578
00:25:24,557 --> 00:25:26,569
and everything will be okay.
It's gonna be better tomorrow.

579
00:25:26,593 --> 00:25:28,104
- [O.J.] He's takin' me home.
- [Tom] I know he's

580
00:25:28,128 --> 00:25:31,164
taking you home, but will you
please toss that gun?

581
00:25:31,264 --> 00:25:34,334
Here's a set of keys.
Ten days before the murders,

582
00:25:34,434 --> 00:25:36,670
Nicole went to her mother
and she says, Mom,

583
00:25:36,770 --> 00:25:39,105
I'm a little concerned
because I think O.J.,

584
00:25:39,239 --> 00:25:41,941
when he was in the last time,
stole my keys.

585
00:25:42,075 --> 00:25:44,253
- There they are. He was right.
- What were those keys to,

586
00:25:44,277 --> 00:25:45,945
other than her door? Was it to...

587
00:25:46,079 --> 00:25:48,415
[Tom] The gate
and the front door.

588
00:25:48,481 --> 00:25:50,726
Why would he want to steal the
keys? Perhaps because he wanted

589
00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:53,186
to go in there
at his own choosing.

590
00:25:53,286 --> 00:25:54,688
There's actually two Broncos.

591
00:25:54,788 --> 00:25:57,090
The first Bronco was given
to O.J. by Hertz.

592
00:25:57,157 --> 00:25:59,125
He used the Bronco
the night of the murders.

593
00:25:59,259 --> 00:26:03,797
His good friend, A.C. Cowlings,
also bought a 1994 white Bronco.

594
00:26:03,863 --> 00:26:05,503
[Rod] O.J. was supposed to
turn himself in

595
00:26:05,632 --> 00:26:08,034
at Parker Center downtown.
He never showed.

596
00:26:08,134 --> 00:26:10,036
So this goes out
all over the news.

597
00:26:10,103 --> 00:26:12,439
People are actually
running up to the car

598
00:26:12,505 --> 00:26:14,708
- and banging on the windows.
- I saw that.

599
00:26:14,808 --> 00:26:16,509
We jump ahead to the trial.

600
00:26:16,643 --> 00:26:17,944
Where's all this stuff?

601
00:26:18,044 --> 00:26:19,312
[Rod] None of this was used.

602
00:26:19,379 --> 00:26:21,157
[Tom] No, this goes to
intent to flee, obviously,

603
00:26:21,181 --> 00:26:22,615
that's the very least.

604
00:26:22,682 --> 00:26:24,360
[Rod] Okay. What do we have?
We have two people murdered.

605
00:26:24,384 --> 00:26:27,153
We have three locations.
We have a Bronco.

606
00:26:27,287 --> 00:26:29,889
We have Rockingham
and we have Bundy Street. Right?

607
00:26:30,056 --> 00:26:31,891
And we know that there's
a lot of blood.

608
00:26:32,058 --> 00:26:33,658
[Tom] There's a ton of blood
in this car.

609
00:26:33,693 --> 00:26:35,271
[Rod] I wanted to do a little
demonstration for you

610
00:26:35,295 --> 00:26:37,831
that I was planning on doing
for the jurors

611
00:26:37,964 --> 00:26:40,333
and this is stage blood.
And what I'm going to do

612
00:26:40,467 --> 00:26:43,336
is put some on my knuckle.
O.J. Simpson was bleeding,

613
00:26:43,470 --> 00:26:45,372
- left middle finger.
- Yeah.

614
00:26:45,505 --> 00:26:48,074
I could come up. Sure.
And open the door like this.

615
00:26:48,174 --> 00:26:49,719
But then it would be awkward
because you got to

616
00:26:49,743 --> 00:26:53,146
push the button. But then I go
in like that and I'm bleeding

617
00:26:53,213 --> 00:26:56,249
and I pull it out.
I open the door.

618
00:26:56,349 --> 00:27:00,186
Even TV viewers of that trial
never knew that there was

619
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,523
enormous amounts of blood,
that these these were patterns

620
00:27:03,590 --> 00:27:06,693
that were identifiable.
Pretty hard to refute.

621
00:27:06,826 --> 00:27:08,528
Here's a photo
taken at the time of

622
00:27:08,661 --> 00:27:10,764
the crime scene investigation.

623
00:27:10,864 --> 00:27:12,766
This is the door handle
on this one.

624
00:27:12,866 --> 00:27:14,868
Here's the same door handle
here.

625
00:27:14,934 --> 00:27:16,703
And notice where it's located.

626
00:27:16,836 --> 00:27:18,438
It's not where
the thumb would be.

627
00:27:18,538 --> 00:27:20,373
It's not where the
little finger would be.

628
00:27:20,507 --> 00:27:22,909
And we have a person
bleeding from which finger?

629
00:27:23,043 --> 00:27:26,446
The left middle finger.
And that's O.J. Simpson's blood.

630
00:27:26,546 --> 00:27:29,549
They did not put Rod Englert
on the stand to testify

631
00:27:29,616 --> 00:27:32,786
to the months and months
of work that he did.

632
00:27:32,886 --> 00:27:35,689
As to every bit of blood
evidence in this case

633
00:27:35,755 --> 00:27:37,557
that the jury, I'm sure,

634
00:27:37,624 --> 00:27:40,527
regardless of how they thought
about cops or anything else,

635
00:27:40,593 --> 00:27:42,128
I'm sure they wanted to hear it.

636
00:27:42,228 --> 00:27:43,930
Nobody else did that
on either side.

637
00:27:44,064 --> 00:27:46,900
This is at the very end
when O.J. Simpson gets out of

638
00:27:47,067 --> 00:27:50,637
the vehicle and leaves after
parking it on Rockingham.

639
00:27:50,737 --> 00:27:52,572
- You didn't see that at trial.
- Exactly.

640
00:27:52,706 --> 00:27:56,076
Somebody needed to tell that
story because the story

641
00:27:56,209 --> 00:27:57,644
is pretty hard to refute.

642
00:27:57,744 --> 00:27:59,889
I've done something here that I
think that will help the viewers

643
00:27:59,913 --> 00:28:03,750
to realize how much blood
is actually in this vehicle

644
00:28:03,817 --> 00:28:06,252
and the size of the scenes.

645
00:28:06,319 --> 00:28:08,021
So this is not the same vehicle.

646
00:28:08,088 --> 00:28:10,056
That vehicle had leather seats.
They were beige.

647
00:28:10,123 --> 00:28:12,258
This has seats that are cloth.

648
00:28:12,392 --> 00:28:15,762
But I just want to take the
viewer through how much blood

649
00:28:15,895 --> 00:28:18,765
and what the patterns were
inside of the vehicle.

650
00:28:18,898 --> 00:28:20,600
Well, who was bleeding?
O.J. Simpson.

651
00:28:20,667 --> 00:28:22,135
Where was he bleeding?
Left finger.

652
00:28:22,268 --> 00:28:25,605
And this is a transfer
that appears to be something,

653
00:28:25,672 --> 00:28:31,277
could be the knife laying right
under it is a long blond hair.

654
00:28:31,344 --> 00:28:32,946
And you're supposed to
testify to that

655
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:34,781
and admit it in court,
never happened.

656
00:28:40,387 --> 00:28:41,955
Smears of blood everywhere.

657
00:28:42,055 --> 00:28:45,158
[Tom] Crime scene photos of the
bronco of Rockingham, of Bundy.

658
00:28:45,225 --> 00:28:48,061
Let's look at this disguise kit.
A mustache here.

659
00:28:48,128 --> 00:28:49,529
Here's the gun right here.

660
00:28:49,662 --> 00:28:51,798
This goes to intent to flee,
obviously.

661
00:28:51,865 --> 00:28:53,500
Well, who was bleeding?
O.J. Simpson.

662
00:28:53,566 --> 00:28:55,568
Where was he bleeding?
Left finger.

663
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:58,538
How it lines up with not only
opening the door on the outside,

664
00:28:58,672 --> 00:29:01,007
but just opening the door
to get out on the inside.

665
00:29:01,041 --> 00:29:04,044
It's only his blood. It's in
line with where he's bleeding.

666
00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:05,912
And then when did
the crime occur?

667
00:29:06,012 --> 00:29:07,313
Nighttime.

668
00:29:07,380 --> 00:29:09,315
Well, what do you do on a car
when you get in it

669
00:29:09,382 --> 00:29:10,993
to drive it at night,
you turn on the lights.

670
00:29:11,017 --> 00:29:15,188
We actually Luminoled this
and this is on the light switch,

671
00:29:15,321 --> 00:29:19,025
not only on the switch itself,
but below the switch.

672
00:29:19,059 --> 00:29:22,062
And when the donor came back
as to whose blood this was,

673
00:29:22,195 --> 00:29:25,532
it came back as human blood.
And it came back as the donor

674
00:29:25,665 --> 00:29:28,034
being O.J. Simpson.
Now, that's a lot of blood,

675
00:29:28,101 --> 00:29:31,037
but it even gets to be more.

676
00:29:31,071 --> 00:29:34,207
On the steering wheel
at about 1:00, you will see

677
00:29:34,341 --> 00:29:39,612
a faint transfer of blood there
down here at about 7:00.

678
00:29:39,713 --> 00:29:41,881
Well, what hand do you
turn the lights on with?

679
00:29:41,948 --> 00:29:43,450
You turn it on
with your left hand.

680
00:29:43,550 --> 00:29:46,720
Sure, you can reach over
and turn it on with your right.

681
00:29:46,786 --> 00:29:50,690
But in this particular case,
then you've got outside door,

682
00:29:50,757 --> 00:29:56,596
inside door, light switch,
steering wheel. 1:00 and 7:00

683
00:29:56,730 --> 00:29:58,765
is O.J. Simpson's blood.

684
00:29:58,898 --> 00:30:02,102
Well, in getting in the vehicle,
we have a swipe

685
00:30:02,235 --> 00:30:05,238
that goes from left,
the door side,

686
00:30:05,372 --> 00:30:07,907
the driver's door side
to the right.

687
00:30:08,041 --> 00:30:11,211
And that is
Nicole Simpson's blood.

688
00:30:11,277 --> 00:30:12,746
See, there was never any theme.

689
00:30:12,879 --> 00:30:17,951
There was never a story
that started at Bundy Street

690
00:30:18,084 --> 00:30:21,588
and then went into a Bronco.

691
00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:24,758
And that evidence then
transferred some of it

692
00:30:24,824 --> 00:30:27,260
into a house and around a house.

693
00:30:27,394 --> 00:30:29,295
I mean, there's a
ton of blood in here.

694
00:30:29,429 --> 00:30:31,231
Why it was never
put into evidence.

695
00:30:31,297 --> 00:30:32,932
You got blood here
that's visible,

696
00:30:32,999 --> 00:30:34,567
anjd you got blood
that's not visible.

697
00:30:34,634 --> 00:30:36,269
[Rod] Right, in trial,
only pieces were.

698
00:30:36,336 --> 00:30:37,776
Well, this blood here
is this person.

699
00:30:37,837 --> 00:30:40,106
[Tom] Sitting on the jury, I
want to know how, why.

700
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,676
[Rod] But there was never
any explanation of theme

701
00:30:42,776 --> 00:30:44,944
that followed
from beginning to end

702
00:30:45,078 --> 00:30:47,480
about these patterns,
what the patterns were,

703
00:30:47,614 --> 00:30:50,784
what they mean,
what they came from.

704
00:30:50,917 --> 00:30:54,087
We had two swipes of
Nicole Brown Simpson's blood

705
00:30:54,154 --> 00:30:56,990
going from left to right
near the door sill,

706
00:30:57,123 --> 00:30:59,626
as you can see here,
was also a swipe

707
00:30:59,759 --> 00:31:01,594
of Nicole Brown Simpson's blood.

708
00:31:01,661 --> 00:31:03,830
What is that consistent with?
That's consistent with

709
00:31:03,963 --> 00:31:07,467
having blood on a hand
which we know he was bleeding

710
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:10,303
that swipes across or a sleeve

711
00:31:10,437 --> 00:31:12,839
in both of these,
Nicole Simpson's blood.

712
00:31:12,972 --> 00:31:14,116
[Tom] You know,
there is a story.

713
00:31:14,140 --> 00:31:15,584
What we needed was
someone to tell it.

714
00:31:15,608 --> 00:31:16,952
- [Rod] I was ready.
- [Tom] I know.

715
00:31:16,976 --> 00:31:19,079
[Rod] If I were his defense
attorney, I'd be worried.

716
00:31:19,145 --> 00:31:21,848
I would be really worried.
The evidence is overwhelming.

717
00:31:21,981 --> 00:31:24,217
It's enormous. It's big.
This is a lot of blood.

718
00:31:24,317 --> 00:31:25,717
These aren't little
specks of blood.

719
00:31:25,819 --> 00:31:28,088
These aren't projected stains.

720
00:31:28,154 --> 00:31:30,824
They are patterns,
large patterns of blood

721
00:31:30,957 --> 00:31:34,861
to indicate that someone
is bleeding extensively.

722
00:31:34,994 --> 00:31:38,531
On the console, it's as though
O.J. Simpson is reaching around.

723
00:31:38,665 --> 00:31:40,667
And inside of that was a mixture

724
00:31:40,734 --> 00:31:45,238
of Nicole Brown Simpson
and Ron Goldman's blood.

725
00:31:45,338 --> 00:31:46,840
These are visible
to the naked eye.

726
00:31:46,973 --> 00:31:51,578
Transfer stains from a hand
that is wet with blood.

727
00:31:51,678 --> 00:31:53,346
[Tom] You look at
the DNA in this case

728
00:31:53,413 --> 00:31:55,115
and the fact
there's nothing exculpatory,

729
00:31:55,181 --> 00:31:57,650
never have too much evidence
in a murder case.

730
00:31:57,717 --> 00:32:00,186
Like I have too much,
they'll never believe it.

731
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:01,721
Well, that was this case.

732
00:32:01,855 --> 00:32:03,857
You had a ton of evidence
that was never brought.

733
00:32:03,923 --> 00:32:06,893
[Rod] Just another transfer.
And this is a transfer

734
00:32:07,060 --> 00:32:10,864
that appears to be something
that is it could be the knife.

735
00:32:11,064 --> 00:32:13,500
You'll notice here, Tom.
Notice at the edge of it.

736
00:32:13,566 --> 00:32:17,069
It's well-defined, laying right
under it in the seat

737
00:32:17,070 --> 00:32:20,206
is a long, blond hair.

738
00:32:20,273 --> 00:32:23,443
And remember I told you what I
picked off 39 hairs

739
00:32:23,543 --> 00:32:26,212
from Goldman's shirt
after her throat had been cut.

740
00:32:26,346 --> 00:32:31,117
Nicole's throat was cut. The
attacker went back to Goldman,

741
00:32:31,217 --> 00:32:34,087
cut his throat,
and all those hairs came off

742
00:32:34,220 --> 00:32:37,357
because there's close contact
and on to Goldman's shirt.

743
00:32:37,424 --> 00:32:39,526
[Tom] Simpson never even knew
Ron Goldman.

744
00:32:39,592 --> 00:32:42,762
So what would Ron Goldman's
blood be doing in Simpson's car?

745
00:32:42,896 --> 00:32:44,431
Never could put
those two together.

746
00:32:44,564 --> 00:32:48,902
In the seat, you have
Nicole Brown Simpson's blood

747
00:32:49,102 --> 00:32:52,205
in the form of what appears
to be a knife transfer.

748
00:32:52,272 --> 00:32:55,742
It's a very well-defined line
that's different than what

749
00:32:55,875 --> 00:32:57,811
cloth would do
or a finger would do.

750
00:32:57,911 --> 00:33:01,481
And then below that is
a long blond hair.

751
00:33:01,581 --> 00:33:03,416
See the enormity
of that evidence?

752
00:33:03,550 --> 00:33:05,118
And you're supposed to
testify to that

753
00:33:05,251 --> 00:33:07,253
and admit it in court
and it never happened.

754
00:33:07,387 --> 00:33:09,723
Any piece of evidence,
including the hair,

755
00:33:09,789 --> 00:33:12,926
the strand of hair, was found by

756
00:33:13,059 --> 00:33:15,962
one of the prosecution's
criminalists, Rod Englert.

757
00:33:16,096 --> 00:33:17,797
In order to get that
into evidence,

758
00:33:17,931 --> 00:33:21,101
something that the jury
can look at and consider,

759
00:33:21,234 --> 00:33:23,503
it has to be admitted.
It was never admitted

760
00:33:23,603 --> 00:33:25,972
because if it were admitted,
it would have been admitted

761
00:33:26,106 --> 00:33:29,642
through Rod Englert.
That didn't happen.

762
00:33:29,776 --> 00:33:31,420
And the only reason
that wouldn't have happened

763
00:33:31,444 --> 00:33:33,446
is because the prosecution
wouldn't have wanted it,

764
00:33:33,580 --> 00:33:35,081
well, why don't they want it?

765
00:33:35,115 --> 00:33:37,259
Well, they didn't want a lot of
evidence submitted in this case.

766
00:33:37,283 --> 00:33:39,753
That's why we're here today
doing this thing.

767
00:33:39,819 --> 00:33:41,988
And this was one of them
because a cop

768
00:33:42,122 --> 00:33:44,290
was delivering the evidence,
cops are on trial

769
00:33:44,357 --> 00:33:47,694
as far as the jury is concerned.
And Rod is one of them.

770
00:33:47,794 --> 00:33:49,796
Okay, Rod, why don't you to step
back a second.

771
00:33:49,863 --> 00:33:52,966
I want to show you a little fun
fact here with it we found.

772
00:33:53,099 --> 00:33:55,168
And he pulls the seat out
and there's a little

773
00:33:55,301 --> 00:33:58,304
illumination bulb rolling
around underneath

774
00:33:58,438 --> 00:34:00,016
- when you took the seat out.
- I remember that.

775
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,709
Plastic cover over the
illumination bulb was missing.

776
00:34:02,809 --> 00:34:06,112
And so is the bulb, so I look
up, this bulb fits

777
00:34:06,179 --> 00:34:08,548
at the top of the Bronco.
But I'm thinking back

778
00:34:08,648 --> 00:34:11,051
to when I was a young cop,
the first thing we did

779
00:34:11,151 --> 00:34:13,820
at nightwatch, we'd reach up
and we grab that bulb,

780
00:34:13,953 --> 00:34:16,322
we'd pull it out.
Why would you remove the bulb?

781
00:34:16,456 --> 00:34:18,134
For the same reason we did.
We didn't want...

782
00:34:18,158 --> 00:34:19,659
He didn't want
to be illuminated.

783
00:34:19,793 --> 00:34:21,361
This to me, again,
goes to intent.

784
00:34:21,494 --> 00:34:25,198
It's very significant.
We never saw it in trial.

785
00:34:29,069 --> 00:34:31,304
[Rod] Okay, Tom, now let's
talk about the socks.

786
00:34:31,371 --> 00:34:36,176
[Tom] More accusations of cops
planting blood right.

787
00:34:36,309 --> 00:34:37,711
[Rod] Tell me about that.

788
00:34:37,844 --> 00:34:41,181
[Tom] Well, the socks Simpson's
house belonging to Simpson

789
00:34:41,247 --> 00:34:43,350
- were recovered in his bedroom.
- Right.

790
00:34:49,723 --> 00:34:51,825
Tom Lange picked them up
at the foot of the bed

791
00:34:51,891 --> 00:34:54,861
and those socks
went into evidence.

792
00:34:54,994 --> 00:34:57,864
[Tom] More accusations of
cops planting blood.

793
00:34:57,997 --> 00:35:00,567
You get involved in this whole
thing as a blood expert,

794
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:02,068
blood spatter expert.

795
00:35:04,037 --> 00:35:05,839
A shotgun blast was down
through the floor

796
00:35:05,905 --> 00:35:07,265
that accounted for
the third shell.

797
00:35:07,340 --> 00:35:10,377
Another third was here.
Here's your knife.

798
00:35:10,510 --> 00:35:13,880
And then the person
rolls him over on his back.

799
00:35:13,947 --> 00:35:19,219
We find on the socks that the
victim, Nicole Simpson's blood

800
00:35:19,352 --> 00:35:22,188
is on these socks,
on O.J. socks in his bedroom.

801
00:35:22,255 --> 00:35:25,892
We get accused of planting
that blood on those socks.

802
00:35:26,059 --> 00:35:28,895
Ron and Nicole, you wouldn't
even know there's any victims

803
00:35:29,062 --> 00:35:30,730
when all this B.S. starts.

804
00:35:30,864 --> 00:35:32,274
They're talking about
everything else,

805
00:35:32,298 --> 00:35:34,276
everything around the periphery
of this entire case

806
00:35:34,300 --> 00:35:37,203
except the victims.
Nobody cares about that.

807
00:35:37,270 --> 00:35:40,707
One of the defense attorneys,
Alan Dershowitz,

808
00:35:40,774 --> 00:35:42,742
You would have voted to acquit.

809
00:35:42,876 --> 00:35:45,912
And he says officer, he calls
him Officer Vannatter.

810
00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:48,114
It was my late partner,
my late homicide partner

811
00:35:48,248 --> 00:35:50,383
planted the victim's blood
on Simpson's socks

812
00:35:50,450 --> 00:35:52,986
and he very demonstrably
puts his hands up

813
00:35:53,086 --> 00:35:55,088
and says he's holding
the sock here

814
00:35:55,155 --> 00:35:56,656
and there's a
vial of blood here.

815
00:35:56,756 --> 00:36:00,760
And Vannatter poured the blood
on the sock.

816
00:36:00,894 --> 00:36:05,598
Anything to throw doubt
within a case.

817
00:36:05,665 --> 00:36:07,767
And this is a very,
very good example.

818
00:36:07,901 --> 00:36:10,070
If this were true, number one,
why didn't we see this

819
00:36:10,136 --> 00:36:12,272
during the trial?
And quite frankly,

820
00:36:12,405 --> 00:36:15,175
waited until after
my partner died?

821
00:36:15,275 --> 00:36:19,079
So we have the defense attorney
saying my partner poured blood,

822
00:36:19,145 --> 00:36:21,614
planting it.
Their own investigator says

823
00:36:21,748 --> 00:36:24,451
the lab planted it, well, they
can't get their lies straight.

824
00:36:24,584 --> 00:36:28,188
Why wasn't this challenged
in rebuttal during the trial?

825
00:36:28,288 --> 00:36:31,858
People can lie.
Look at me, Tom.

826
00:36:31,958 --> 00:36:35,161
People can lie,
but the evidence never lies.

827
00:36:35,295 --> 00:36:39,599
Blood was poured onto the socks
and the blood was planted

828
00:36:39,666 --> 00:36:42,102
- on the socks by the cops.
- Well, that's ridiculous.

829
00:36:42,168 --> 00:36:44,104
It's common sense.
If you pour it,

830
00:36:44,170 --> 00:36:47,474
that's a different pattern
than projected stains.

831
00:36:47,607 --> 00:36:50,610
The blood pattern on the socks
was projected stain,

832
00:36:50,677 --> 00:36:53,813
impact into blood
that projected the blood out.

833
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,649
This random distribution of
large and small drops

834
00:36:56,716 --> 00:37:00,220
that were on both socks.
Just like go in your kitchen,

835
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:02,022
get some water
and pour it on a cloth.

836
00:37:02,155 --> 00:37:04,491
Everybody knows that's not
the same pattern.

837
00:37:04,557 --> 00:37:06,025
And then you have to
turn it over.

838
00:37:06,026 --> 00:37:07,894
You have to do it to this side.

839
00:37:08,028 --> 00:37:10,030
It doesn't create
that type of pattern.

840
00:37:10,063 --> 00:37:11,564
If I'm in the jury,
I want to know

841
00:37:11,664 --> 00:37:13,333
how the blood got on the socks.

842
00:37:13,466 --> 00:37:16,169
[ t

843
00:37:16,302 --> 00:37:17,737
I'm uncertain.

844
00:37:17,837 --> 00:37:20,540
Here you have transfer pattern,
transfer pattern on the toes

845
00:37:20,674 --> 00:37:25,478
and then projective stains on
360 degrees round those socks.

846
00:37:25,545 --> 00:37:27,265
We looked at these socks
together, remember?

847
00:37:27,347 --> 00:37:31,051
I flew to DOJ. You met me there
at Department of Justice

848
00:37:31,151 --> 00:37:33,720
in Sacramento. Now, they hadn't
been analyzed yet

849
00:37:33,853 --> 00:37:36,656
and we counted
and looking with magnification,

850
00:37:36,723 --> 00:37:41,661
we've counted 29 projected
stains right here,

851
00:37:41,728 --> 00:37:45,265
meaning little dots, the same
that are on Ron Goldman's boots.

852
00:37:45,365 --> 00:37:49,102
And then 19 on this particular
sock, another sock.

853
00:37:49,202 --> 00:37:51,237
Now, we don't know which one
was left or worn left

854
00:37:51,371 --> 00:37:54,240
or which one was right.
On the toe of both of the socks

855
00:37:54,374 --> 00:37:57,711
and on the top of one of them
was a different type of stain.

856
00:37:57,777 --> 00:38:01,047
It wasn't projected stains,
it was a transfer stain.

857
00:38:01,181 --> 00:38:03,216
Now transfer means if
I've got blood on my hand,

858
00:38:03,283 --> 00:38:05,719
give me your hand
and I transfer it to your jacket

859
00:38:05,852 --> 00:38:09,089
and I hit some blood
and projects,

860
00:38:09,222 --> 00:38:10,822
that creates a little
random distribution

861
00:38:10,890 --> 00:38:12,292
of large and small drops.
Right?

862
00:38:12,392 --> 00:38:13,793
Now, I want to
show you something.

863
00:38:13,893 --> 00:38:17,630
I've got a cut, and I reach down
and I pull the sock down.

864
00:38:17,731 --> 00:38:22,402
A neighbor told us that he saw
O.J. peeking in Nicole's window.

865
00:38:22,469 --> 00:38:26,039
Coincidentally, the same type of
knit cap at the crime scene.

866
00:38:26,072 --> 00:38:28,384
I believe that she was dating
guy, that his name was Keith.

867
00:38:28,408 --> 00:38:31,277
The time that I think that
was who O.J. was spying on.

868
00:38:36,883 --> 00:38:39,152
And we have a person bleeding
from which finger?

869
00:38:39,285 --> 00:38:42,722
The left finger.
Inside of that was a mixture of

870
00:38:42,822 --> 00:38:46,459
Nicole Brown Simpson
and Ron Goldman's blood.

871
00:38:46,526 --> 00:38:50,830
We get accused of planning
that blood on those socks.

872
00:38:50,964 --> 00:38:54,734
I've got a cut and I reach down
and I pull the sock down.

873
00:38:54,834 --> 00:38:56,069
I've got blood on my hands.

874
00:38:56,169 --> 00:38:57,780
We know he's bleeding
from the middle finger.

875
00:38:57,804 --> 00:38:59,673
We know that
that blood is fresh.

876
00:38:59,806 --> 00:39:01,341
And this is where
the transfer occurs

877
00:39:01,474 --> 00:39:04,077
when I pull the socks down.
There is your transfer.

878
00:39:04,177 --> 00:39:07,514
That is a pattern that's
different from the pattern

879
00:39:07,580 --> 00:39:13,386
on both socks, 360 degrees
around the ankles,

880
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:15,689
but not where
my pants are covering

881
00:39:15,755 --> 00:39:18,191
and not where my shoes
are being worn.

882
00:39:18,324 --> 00:39:20,660
And then you pull it off.
You usually have to grab the toe

883
00:39:20,727 --> 00:39:24,831
or it's consistent with grabbing
the toe on both of these socks.

884
00:39:24,898 --> 00:39:27,500
O.J. Simpson's blood
on the toes.

885
00:39:27,567 --> 00:39:29,669
O.J. Simpson's blood at the top.

886
00:39:29,736 --> 00:39:33,406
And Nicole Brown Simpson,
360 degrees of projected stains

887
00:39:33,540 --> 00:39:38,244
from what the demonstration is
fighting, stomping, projecting

888
00:39:38,378 --> 00:39:41,715
stains, out to the side.
You cannot pour blood

889
00:39:41,848 --> 00:39:44,784
onto these socks to create
those kind of patterns.

890
00:39:44,884 --> 00:39:47,196
It's pretty powerful evidence.
Remember, this is interesting.

891
00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:50,557
When we was there at the lab,
you call me five days later

892
00:39:50,623 --> 00:39:54,060
and you said, go to a secure
phone and left my office.

893
00:39:54,094 --> 00:39:56,096
So I went to a phone booth.
It was raining.

894
00:39:56,229 --> 00:39:58,064
I'll never forget the words
that you told me,

895
00:39:58,131 --> 00:39:59,742
you said, want to know whose
blood this is?

896
00:39:59,766 --> 00:40:01,446
She said there's only five
people that know

897
00:40:01,534 --> 00:40:04,237
and the two of us
are two of the five.

898
00:40:04,371 --> 00:40:08,775
Nicole Brown Simpson blood
and Simpson's blood.

899
00:40:08,908 --> 00:40:10,610
And then there was
another accusation

900
00:40:10,744 --> 00:40:12,645
that the lab rehydrated
these little stains

901
00:40:12,746 --> 00:40:14,581
to make it go through
to the other side,

902
00:40:14,647 --> 00:40:16,216
meaning nobody
could be wearing them.

903
00:40:16,282 --> 00:40:17,450
Do you know what that means?

904
00:40:17,584 --> 00:40:19,252
That means there was
no foot in that sock.

905
00:40:19,386 --> 00:40:21,554
Can you really think of this?
Just think that

906
00:40:21,621 --> 00:40:23,590
someone with a Q-Tip
is going to rehydrate blood

907
00:40:23,656 --> 00:40:27,127
and 29 times...

908
00:40:27,260 --> 00:40:30,096
to make it go through the other
side that... that was,

909
00:40:30,230 --> 00:40:34,501
that was not true. And that was
actually testified to in trial.

910
00:40:34,601 --> 00:40:36,803
Tom, let me just show you
how ridiculous this is,

911
00:40:36,936 --> 00:40:40,306
this false accusation,

912
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,610
the blood pouring that
allegedly has occurred

913
00:40:43,677 --> 00:40:46,012
is when I pour blood into blood

914
00:40:46,112 --> 00:40:47,480
and pour it on the socks.

915
00:40:47,614 --> 00:40:50,483
You're not going to get
those individual stains.

916
00:40:50,617 --> 00:40:52,337
It just isn't going to happen.
Look at that.

917
00:40:52,419 --> 00:40:53,653
[Tom] It's solid.

918
00:40:53,787 --> 00:40:55,297
[Rod] And it doesn't go around
to the other side.

919
00:40:55,321 --> 00:40:57,524
This is a transfer.
Now, I've got blood on there

920
00:40:57,624 --> 00:40:59,526
and that's a transfer.
And that's what we have

921
00:40:59,626 --> 00:41:01,628
at the top that we couldn't see
with the naked eye.

922
00:41:01,761 --> 00:41:03,172
- [Tom] Yeah.
- [Rod] Not only do we have

923
00:41:03,196 --> 00:41:06,966
a transfer there,
but we have a transfer here

924
00:41:07,100 --> 00:41:10,637
and we have a transfer here
on these socks.

925
00:41:10,770 --> 00:41:13,073
And this tells a story.
It's that simple.

926
00:41:13,139 --> 00:41:15,308
And so in going and meeting
with the criminalist,

927
00:41:15,375 --> 00:41:18,378
the Department of Justice
and I contacted you later

928
00:41:18,478 --> 00:41:20,980
as to what the results were.
And I've got a little video here

929
00:41:21,081 --> 00:41:23,450
that he sent to us.
You remember this?

930
00:41:23,516 --> 00:41:26,119
It's called an
infrared examination.

931
00:41:26,186 --> 00:41:30,223
That is the camera that is able
to focus and be able to see

932
00:41:30,323 --> 00:41:32,092
what the eye cannot see.

933
00:41:32,158 --> 00:41:34,627
You can see the different
stains. They were there.

934
00:41:34,694 --> 00:41:37,330
And I want you to see this.
This is the top of the sock.

935
00:41:37,397 --> 00:41:38,998
[Tom] That is
O.J. Simpson's sock.

936
00:41:39,132 --> 00:41:40,810
[Rod] That is O.J. Simpson's
socks found at

937
00:41:40,834 --> 00:41:43,203
the foot of the bed
that you found.

938
00:41:43,336 --> 00:41:46,639
This is a transfer stain
that we're looking at here.

939
00:41:46,706 --> 00:41:48,875
And this is sock number 42A.

940
00:41:49,009 --> 00:41:52,812
But now the criminalist is going
to go down this knee high sock

941
00:41:52,879 --> 00:41:56,249
and you're going to start seeing
those projected stains.

942
00:41:56,349 --> 00:41:59,519
And mind you, there's like 19 on
one and 29 on the other.

943
00:41:59,652 --> 00:42:02,555
They start showing up and look
where they're showing up.

944
00:42:02,689 --> 00:42:04,257
And look,
you're coming up to the heel.

945
00:42:04,357 --> 00:42:05,492
[Tom] Yeah.

946
00:42:05,558 --> 00:42:07,238
[Rod] And also on the sock
was O.J. Simpson

947
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,195
at the transfer stain,
the upper one.

948
00:42:09,329 --> 00:42:12,432
And look at the stain.
These are projected stains.

949
00:42:12,532 --> 00:42:14,434
And there's little ones.
There's big ones.

950
00:42:14,534 --> 00:42:19,873
That's a random distribution
of large and small drops from

951
00:42:19,939 --> 00:42:21,274
fighting.

952
00:42:21,374 --> 00:42:24,678
Here we start to see with
infrared photography and video

953
00:42:24,744 --> 00:42:29,082
projected stains that comes back
to the blood of who?

954
00:42:29,215 --> 00:42:30,559
- [Tom] Nicole Simpson.
- [Rod] Because you're the one

955
00:42:30,583 --> 00:42:32,886
who told me that when you had to
go to a phone booth

956
00:42:32,952 --> 00:42:35,088
- and call you.
- These are the ones you counted.

957
00:42:35,121 --> 00:42:36,723
[Rod] That's right.

958
00:42:36,856 --> 00:42:38,692
So there's a lot of them
all around the socks.

959
00:42:38,758 --> 00:42:41,127
- [Tom] 360 degrees.
- [Rod] 360 degrees.

960
00:42:41,227 --> 00:42:43,563
And there's a photograph
of Ron Goldman's boots.

961
00:42:43,630 --> 00:42:45,097
You know what's on
the side of his boots?

962
00:42:45,098 --> 00:42:46,533
Same type of projected stains.

963
00:42:46,599 --> 00:42:49,101
This is like a transfer stain
at the toe.

964
00:42:49,102 --> 00:42:51,571
- And guess who's blood that was?
- [Tom] Simpson's.

965
00:42:51,638 --> 00:42:52,872
[Rod] That's Simpson's blood.

966
00:42:52,939 --> 00:42:54,574
At the top and at the toe.

967
00:42:54,708 --> 00:42:56,710
And the same on the other
at the toe.

968
00:42:56,776 --> 00:42:59,612
[Tom] You've got Simpson's
blood, the suspect on the toe

969
00:42:59,746 --> 00:43:01,815
and at the top of the sock.

970
00:43:01,915 --> 00:43:05,285
You indicated how that got
there. And in the center,

971
00:43:05,418 --> 00:43:07,754
- you got projected blood.
- Exactly.

972
00:43:07,821 --> 00:43:10,056
From the victim.
And juror number seven,

973
00:43:10,090 --> 00:43:13,059
she never believed
he was guilty.

974
00:43:13,093 --> 00:43:15,462
Is this before she heard the
evidence, apparently.

975
00:43:15,595 --> 00:43:18,598
Thought that the physical
abuse side of the case

976
00:43:18,665 --> 00:43:23,503
was, quote, belongs somewhere
down the hall in another court.

977
00:43:23,603 --> 00:43:26,239
This was a murder trial.
The defense shows

978
00:43:26,306 --> 00:43:29,275
without any doubt that
that's exactly what it was.

979
00:43:29,409 --> 00:43:32,645
Yet she associated this
apparently with some kind of,

980
00:43:32,779 --> 00:43:36,449
uh, uh, abuse to the victim.

981
00:43:36,516 --> 00:43:38,918
Yeah, it was plenty of abuse,
but I guess it just didn't

982
00:43:38,985 --> 00:43:41,788
sink in that way with her.

983
00:43:41,921 --> 00:43:43,165
[911 operator]
Attention all units,

984
00:43:43,189 --> 00:43:44,090
domestic violence at 30...
correction,

985
00:43:44,157 --> 00:43:45,925
325 south crescent ring way,

986
00:43:45,992 --> 00:43:48,628
advise, the suspect has now
entered...

987
00:43:48,695 --> 00:43:52,432
[Nicole]
O.J., the kids are sleeping.

988
00:43:52,499 --> 00:43:54,768
[911 operator] 4-2-2-1 are the
825, children involved.

989
00:43:54,834 --> 00:43:56,345
[O.J.] You didn't give a shit
about the kids

990
00:43:56,369 --> 00:43:57,780
when they were fucking sitting
in the living room.

991
00:43:57,804 --> 00:43:58,605
They were here.

992
00:43:58,672 --> 00:44:01,875
You give my kids shit?

993
00:44:02,042 --> 00:44:05,612
Oh, it's different now...

994
00:44:07,313 --> 00:44:08,633
[Bill] My partner,
Detective Lange

995
00:44:08,682 --> 00:44:12,052
enter interview room
in Parker Center.

996
00:44:12,152 --> 00:44:17,490
Tand the time is 13:35 hours.

997
00:44:17,557 --> 00:44:19,058
And we're here
with O.J. Simpson,

998
00:44:19,059 --> 00:44:22,162
i

999
00:44:22,228 --> 00:44:24,898
And what is your birthdate?

1000
00:44:25,065 --> 00:44:26,666
[O.J.] July 9, 1947.

1001
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,836
[Tom] Okay, prior to us talking
to you as we agreed

1002
00:44:29,903 --> 00:44:31,671
with your attorney,
I'm gonna give you...

1003
00:44:31,805 --> 00:44:36,076
Is my hair okay? Is there.

1004
00:44:36,176 --> 00:44:38,457
Every time I meet someone and
they find out that I'm Kato,

1005
00:44:38,511 --> 00:44:41,081
the witness in the trial, they
all want to be a part of it.

1006
00:44:41,181 --> 00:44:43,082
They all have a story,
and it's like, why do you

1007
00:44:43,083 --> 00:44:44,327
want to be associated with that?

1008
00:44:44,351 --> 00:44:45,861
I don't want to be
associated with that.

1009
00:44:45,885 --> 00:44:47,663
But they are coming up with
these different theories.

1010
00:44:47,687 --> 00:44:50,357
You know, if I'm a detective.
I'm going, geez,

1011
00:44:50,490 --> 00:44:53,093
Tom, you take this call.
It's the psychic.

1012
00:44:53,193 --> 00:44:56,096
I'll never forget when
detective Vannatter said to me,

1013
00:44:56,196 --> 00:44:58,098
It's just there in my brain,

1014
00:44:58,198 --> 00:45:00,200
this is a two minute
Columbo episode

1015
00:45:00,266 --> 00:45:01,835
because we have
so much evidence.

1016
00:45:01,901 --> 00:45:03,770
And I was like, Oh, wow.

1017
00:45:03,870 --> 00:45:05,705
All of little pointed
in one direction.

1018
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:08,079
[Reporter] Mark asked Kato if he
thought his new pal O.J.

1019
00:45:08,174 --> 00:45:10,176
could help his
struggling acting career.

1020
00:45:10,243 --> 00:45:12,445
I don't think we're going for
the same parts, right.

1021
00:45:12,545 --> 00:45:15,048
I'm going to L.A. to be an actor
and things are going okay.

1022
00:45:15,081 --> 00:45:17,550
And I was in a few commercials.
I was doing my things.

1023
00:45:17,617 --> 00:45:20,053
I kept going,
Hey, I could be Brad Pitt.

1024
00:45:20,186 --> 00:45:22,222
Oh, okay, maybe Armpit.
His brother.

1025
00:45:22,288 --> 00:45:24,224
- What's your name?
- Erin.

1026
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:26,393
[Man] Any book deals or anything
happening for you?

1027
00:45:26,526 --> 00:45:27,894
Coloring book, maybe one day.

1028
00:45:27,961 --> 00:45:29,321
I'll do a coloring book.
We'll see.

1029
00:45:29,396 --> 00:45:30,563
Do you have a crayon?

1030
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:32,041
You do. You do carry a crayon,
don't you?

1031
00:45:32,065 --> 00:45:33,199
I noticed that about you.

1032
00:45:33,266 --> 00:45:35,068
Everything has a blueprint
in your life,

1033
00:45:35,135 --> 00:45:36,403
and for whatever reason,

1034
00:45:36,469 --> 00:45:38,405
mine was to be a witness
in this trial.

1035
00:45:38,538 --> 00:45:40,707
In 1994, my friend
produced a movie.

1036
00:45:40,774 --> 00:45:42,718
Believe it or not, I had the
script three months earlier

1037
00:45:42,742 --> 00:45:46,279
to Dumb and Dumber, and that was
the film that I was tested for.

1038
00:45:46,413 --> 00:45:48,391
And later in life I got to meet
the Farrelly brothers

1039
00:45:48,415 --> 00:45:50,583
who directed that film.
And I'm going,

1040
00:45:50,717 --> 00:45:52,285
You guys got to hear this story.

1041
00:45:52,419 --> 00:45:54,499
[Tom] You were hanging around
O.J. for quite a while,

1042
00:45:54,554 --> 00:45:56,589
and you probably get opinions.

1043
00:45:56,656 --> 00:45:59,092
He was a wealthy guy. I wasn't.
So it was sort of like

1044
00:45:59,159 --> 00:46:02,028
he was tax bracket was Danish,
I was donuts.

1045
00:46:02,095 --> 00:46:07,033
So I converted that way.
He loved having people

1046
00:46:07,100 --> 00:46:08,601
make sure they knew it was him.

1047
00:46:08,668 --> 00:46:13,740
A neighbor told us that he saw
O.J. peeking in Nicole's window

1048
00:46:13,807 --> 00:46:17,310
and he was wearing
a dark colored knit cap.

1049
00:46:17,444 --> 00:46:21,114
Coincidentally, the same type
of knit cap at the crime scene.

1050
00:46:21,181 --> 00:46:22,591
[Kato] I Believe that
she was dating a guy,

1051
00:46:22,615 --> 00:46:24,784
that his name was Keith
at the time that I think

1052
00:46:24,918 --> 00:46:26,453
that was who O.J. was spying on.

1053
00:46:26,586 --> 00:46:28,931
[Tom] There's a lot of things in
this case that weren't brought

1054
00:46:28,955 --> 00:46:30,757
as evidence
that should have been brought.

1055
00:46:30,824 --> 00:46:33,126
Marcia Clark's doing her job.
The only thing was

1056
00:46:33,259 --> 00:46:35,104
I don't know why she called me
a hostile witness.

1057
00:46:35,128 --> 00:46:38,198
Basically what she's saying is
whatever Kato says,

1058
00:46:38,298 --> 00:46:39,966
it really means nothing.

1059
00:46:40,066 --> 00:46:44,304
Kato was Kato and Kato didn't
give up a lot during that trial.

1060
00:46:44,371 --> 00:46:46,373
Probably just
because of that fact,

1061
00:46:46,473 --> 00:46:48,317
you're not going to cooperate.
I wouldn't either.

1062
00:46:48,341 --> 00:46:50,143
I think he was as forthright
as he could be,

1063
00:46:50,276 --> 00:46:51,978
and there's no reason
for him not to be.

1064
00:46:52,078 --> 00:46:54,447
Everybody's says and even the
media says, you know,

1065
00:46:54,514 --> 00:46:58,084
then the cops get involved.
And the biggest problem they had

1066
00:46:58,151 --> 00:47:00,286
is they concentrated
on O.J. Simpson.

1067
00:47:00,353 --> 00:47:02,122
They never looked at
another person.

1068
00:47:02,188 --> 00:47:04,024
That's all B.S.
That's not true.

1069
00:47:04,157 --> 00:47:05,717
There's other people
that were suspects.

1070
00:47:05,792 --> 00:47:07,627
We actually have what we call
a clue file.

1071
00:47:07,694 --> 00:47:10,330
And among those were
512 of these things

1072
00:47:10,463 --> 00:47:12,165
that we investigated.
And among them

1073
00:47:12,298 --> 00:47:14,567
were about 50
potential suspects.

1074
00:47:14,668 --> 00:47:16,670
- [Kato] 150?
- [Tom] Fifty, 5-0

1075
00:47:16,803 --> 00:47:18,304
potential suspects.

1076
00:47:18,371 --> 00:47:21,374
We spent months on other
possible suspects in this case.

1077
00:47:21,508 --> 00:47:24,044
It's all documented.
It was all turned over.

1078
00:47:24,077 --> 00:47:27,247
Go down here to, oh, look at
this, 317, what does that say?

1079
00:47:27,347 --> 00:47:30,550
[Kato] Kato killed the Nicole
because she broke up with Kato.

1080
00:47:30,684 --> 00:47:33,253
Suggest putting Kato
on the lie detector.

1081
00:47:33,353 --> 00:47:34,387
Well, it's not me.

1082
00:47:34,521 --> 00:47:36,389
- You know what the good news is?
- What?

1083
00:47:36,523 --> 00:47:37,857
- You're a three.
- I'm a three.

1084
00:47:37,924 --> 00:47:41,695
That's a Category three,
that's always good to know.

1085
00:47:41,761 --> 00:47:44,397
On top of her head,
she also has a stab wound.

1086
00:47:44,531 --> 00:47:47,400
She has contusions.
There's another wound on her

1087
00:47:47,534 --> 00:47:49,069
that hasn't happened yet.

1088
00:47:55,642 --> 00:47:57,444
O.J. Simpson's blood
on the toes.

1089
00:47:57,510 --> 00:48:00,180
[Kato] His name was Keith.
That was who O.J. was spying on.

1090
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,425
There's a lot of things in this
case that weren't brought

1091
00:48:02,449 --> 00:48:04,284
as evidence.
This was one of them.

1092
00:48:04,417 --> 00:48:07,019
Kato, suggest putting Kato
and the lie detector.

1093
00:48:07,020 --> 00:48:09,189
Well, it's not me.

1094
00:48:09,289 --> 00:48:12,792
They're interviewing over 50
suspects, 5-0, and to know

1095
00:48:12,859 --> 00:48:15,095
they collected so much evidence
that never was used,

1096
00:48:15,161 --> 00:48:18,264
- I'd be so pissed off.
- I told you we had this audio,

1097
00:48:18,331 --> 00:48:19,691
I wanna play that
for you in a bit.

1098
00:48:19,766 --> 00:48:21,566
But looking around here
at all these pictures,

1099
00:48:21,634 --> 00:48:23,446
what does that look like?
This picture right here?

1100
00:48:23,470 --> 00:48:25,772
That's the old Kato room
right there. It's clean.

1101
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:27,474
It was 5:00 or so
in the morning,

1102
00:48:27,540 --> 00:48:29,876
there's a knock at my door,
and all I saw to the door

1103
00:48:30,043 --> 00:48:32,212
were four guys.
And I just let you in.

1104
00:48:32,312 --> 00:48:34,447
I'm in a daze at that time,
I'm always in a daze

1105
00:48:34,514 --> 00:48:36,049
but I'm in a daze
because of sleep.

1106
00:48:36,116 --> 00:48:38,818
Picture this though, really,
four guys at 5:00 a.m.

1107
00:48:38,885 --> 00:48:40,687
coming to your door
and you don't even ask

1108
00:48:40,820 --> 00:48:43,156
if they're really police
and you say, Come on in.

1109
00:48:43,289 --> 00:48:45,368
He said to me, he said,
What did you wear last night?

1110
00:48:45,392 --> 00:48:47,660
And I said,
Oh, it's on that chair.

1111
00:48:47,727 --> 00:48:50,296
Now, you have to understand,
I don't know what's going on.

1112
00:48:50,363 --> 00:48:52,866
Then I start thinking,
something happened to O.J.

1113
00:48:53,066 --> 00:48:54,234
is there plane crash?

1114
00:48:54,334 --> 00:48:56,670
Ten hours earlier?
Were you lying in bed?

1115
00:48:56,803 --> 00:48:59,072
Something happened.
I was on the phone.

1116
00:48:59,172 --> 00:49:02,175
I heard a noise,
and a picture moved,

1117
00:49:02,242 --> 00:49:03,743
and I said,
did we have an earthquake?

1118
00:49:03,843 --> 00:49:05,345
- To her on the phone?
- Yeah.

1119
00:49:05,478 --> 00:49:07,047
Sort of a...
like, what was that?

1120
00:49:07,180 --> 00:49:09,015
What's behind your bed wall,
on the outside?

1121
00:49:09,082 --> 00:49:11,084
There's an air conditioner.
And that's about it.

1122
00:49:11,184 --> 00:49:13,424
Does that look like the air
conditioning unit behind you?

1123
00:49:13,486 --> 00:49:15,755
Yeah. Someone said, you hear
anything unusual last night?

1124
00:49:15,855 --> 00:49:17,833
I said, I don't know if
this is an important thing,

1125
00:49:17,857 --> 00:49:19,835
but my picture moved.
But it might not be anything.

1126
00:49:19,859 --> 00:49:21,094
It happened behind this wall.

1127
00:49:21,194 --> 00:49:22,672
[Tom] Yeah, that was
kind of important

1128
00:49:22,696 --> 00:49:24,864
because right down here
was the glove, right?

1129
00:49:25,031 --> 00:49:27,009
- So it kind of was important.
- Yeah, it was important.

1130
00:49:27,033 --> 00:49:29,836
[Kato] Everybody remembers
the bloody glove, everybody.

1131
00:49:29,903 --> 00:49:32,372
[Tom] And so I get back to this
audio I was telling you about.

1132
00:49:32,505 --> 00:49:35,942
I want to get a feeling for what
you think about his responses.

1133
00:49:36,042 --> 00:49:38,111
This isn't interrogation.
If the cops are going to

1134
00:49:38,211 --> 00:49:40,580
interrogate somebody,
they usually confront them.

1135
00:49:40,714 --> 00:49:43,750
You don't do that with someone
like this, who's a sociopath.

1136
00:49:43,883 --> 00:49:45,618
Number two, probably
kick your ass anyway.

1137
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:48,588
The audio for Kato was the
interview that Bill Vannatter

1138
00:49:48,722 --> 00:49:50,190
and I did with Simpson.

1139
00:49:50,256 --> 00:49:53,226
And this is about 14 hours after
the murders occurred.

1140
00:49:53,293 --> 00:49:55,595
At this point, Simpson is
not a suspect.

1141
00:49:55,729 --> 00:49:57,063
He's a potential suspect.

1142
00:49:57,097 --> 00:49:58,765
We still want to know
his side of things.

1143
00:49:58,898 --> 00:50:00,734
What's going on?
What did you do last night?

1144
00:50:00,867 --> 00:50:02,569
I know you just
got in from Chicago.

1145
00:50:02,702 --> 00:50:03,970
We had these terrible murders.

1146
00:50:04,070 --> 00:50:06,239
I want to see what
he's got to say about that.

1147
00:50:06,306 --> 00:50:08,475
[Tom] We're investigating,
obviously, the death

1148
00:50:08,575 --> 00:50:13,313
of your ex-wife and another man.

1149
00:50:13,413 --> 00:50:14,714
Someone told us that.

1150
00:50:14,781 --> 00:50:16,192
How did you get the injury
on your hands?

1151
00:50:16,216 --> 00:50:17,650
[O.J.] I don't know.

1152
00:50:17,751 --> 00:50:21,554
N I was in Chicago, I know.

1153
00:50:21,621 --> 00:50:23,723
But at the house, I was just
running around and I...

1154
00:50:23,790 --> 00:50:25,458
[Tom] How'd you do it?

1155
00:50:25,592 --> 00:50:27,427
[O.J.] I broke a glass.
I just was...

1156
00:50:27,494 --> 00:50:29,596
you had, one of you guys had
just call me

1157
00:50:29,729 --> 00:50:32,499
and I was in the bathroom
and I was in the bathroom
a

1158
00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:33,967
for a little bit.

1159
00:50:34,100 --> 00:50:36,736
And it was a normal dance,
humbling, bumbling around.

1160
00:50:36,803 --> 00:50:40,974
Well, you know, I cut it
back in Chicago on a glass,

1161
00:50:41,107 --> 00:50:43,777
on a drinking glass.
I cut my fingers all the time.

1162
00:50:43,843 --> 00:50:46,813
You know, I'm playing golf,
I'm doing this, I'm doing that.

1163
00:50:46,946 --> 00:50:49,449
So we're getting two or three
different scenarios.

1164
00:50:49,516 --> 00:50:50,984
[Tom] If you recall,
bleeding at all

1165
00:50:51,117 --> 00:50:53,286
in the truck, in the Bronco?

1166
00:50:53,353 --> 00:50:55,689
[O.J.] I recall bleeding
at my house.

1167
00:50:55,789 --> 00:50:58,792
And then I went to the...
went to the Bronco.

1168
00:50:58,858 --> 00:51:02,762
The last thing I did
The last thing I did
b

1169
00:51:02,829 --> 00:51:04,964
was I went and got my phone
out of the Bronco.

1170
00:51:05,098 --> 00:51:06,833
[Tom] Do you recall
bleeding at all?

1171
00:51:06,966 --> 00:51:09,166
Yeah. I mean, I knew I was
bleeding. It was no big deal.

1172
00:51:09,202 --> 00:51:12,505
I bleed all the time, I mean,
I bleed all the time, I mean,
I

1173
00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:14,474
There's always some knicks
and stuff.

1174
00:51:14,541 --> 00:51:16,443
But if you cut it in Chicago,
you stick with it,

1175
00:51:16,509 --> 00:51:19,145
you don't say, Well, I might
have cut it over here.

1176
00:51:19,279 --> 00:51:21,119
I might have done this
and I'm cut... and like,

1177
00:51:21,147 --> 00:51:23,227
it's no big thing. Let's forget
about it and move on.

1178
00:51:23,316 --> 00:51:24,617
That's what he wanted.

1179
00:51:24,684 --> 00:51:29,522
Most important evidence now
is blood. Blood evidence.

1180
00:51:29,656 --> 00:51:31,133
[Bill] You haven't had any
problems with her lately,

1181
00:51:31,157 --> 00:51:34,661
have you?

1182
00:51:34,794 --> 00:51:37,163
[O.J.] I always have problems
with her, you know,

1183
00:51:37,230 --> 00:51:42,302
I guess our relationship
has been a problem relationship.

1184
00:51:42,369 --> 00:51:45,005
[Bill] O.J., well,
that's sort of a problem.

1185
00:51:45,138 --> 00:51:49,542
We've got some blood on
and in your car.

1186
00:51:49,676 --> 00:51:51,845
Y

1187
00:51:51,911 --> 00:51:54,714
And sort of a problem with it.

1188
00:51:54,848 --> 00:51:56,325
[O.J.] Well,
we'll take my blood test.

1189
00:51:56,349 --> 00:51:58,251
[Tom] Well,
we'd like to do that.

1190
00:51:58,351 --> 00:52:00,420
We've got to, of course,
the cut on your finger

1191
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:06,159
that you don't...
not real clear on.

1192
00:52:06,226 --> 00:52:09,496
Bleeding with the middle left
finger left side of his body.

1193
00:52:09,562 --> 00:52:11,765
So right away
the wheels start spinning.

1194
00:52:11,865 --> 00:52:13,600
I want to find out
about that finger.

1195
00:52:13,700 --> 00:52:16,068
So I'm building this rapport
and it worked.

1196
00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:18,672
He didn't invoke,
as a consequence,

1197
00:52:18,738 --> 00:52:22,942
we ended up him cooperating and
letting us look at his finger.

1198
00:52:23,076 --> 00:52:25,578
Do you recall having that cut
on your finger the last time

1199
00:52:25,712 --> 00:52:27,080
you were at Nicole's house?

1200
00:52:27,113 --> 00:52:28,848
[O.J.] A week ago?
No, no.

1201
00:52:28,915 --> 00:52:31,084
- [Tom] So it's been since...
- [O.J.] Yeah, right.

1202
00:52:31,117 --> 00:52:32,285
Since last night.

1203
00:52:32,385 --> 00:52:34,888
So intense and now he's like,
oh I got to cut.

1204
00:52:34,954 --> 00:52:37,257
I don't, I don't know
the cut, where I got it.

1205
00:52:37,390 --> 00:52:40,226
He's thinking now
what can he say?

1206
00:52:40,293 --> 00:52:42,862
I think you're right.
I think you're right.

1207
00:52:42,929 --> 00:52:44,364
O.J., you're bleeding.

1208
00:52:44,431 --> 00:52:46,933
We'll maybe have somebody
take a look at that,

1209
00:52:47,100 --> 00:52:49,269
put a Band-Aid on it, and he
said, Oh, no, that's fine,

1210
00:52:49,402 --> 00:52:51,103
everything's okay.
The back of my mind,

1211
00:52:51,104 --> 00:52:54,908
I'm thinking evidence. Meanwhile
he gives us three really sketchy

1212
00:52:55,108 --> 00:52:57,110
responses about how
he cut his finger.

1213
00:52:57,210 --> 00:52:58,521
[Bill] What do you think
happened?

1214
00:52:58,545 --> 00:53:00,914
[O.J.] I had no idea, man.

1215
00:53:01,047 --> 00:53:03,316
You guys haven't
told me anything.

1216
00:53:03,416 --> 00:53:06,252
I have no idea what happened
when you said to my daughter,

1217
00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:08,254
said something to me today
that somebody else

1218
00:53:08,321 --> 00:53:11,057
might have been involved.
might have been involved.
I

1219
00:53:11,091 --> 00:53:14,127
w why or what?

1220
00:53:14,260 --> 00:53:15,762
You guys haven't
told me anything.

1221
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:17,707
Every time I asked you guys,
are you going to tell me?

1222
00:53:17,731 --> 00:53:20,100
[Tom] Well, we don't we don't
know a lot of the answers

1223
00:53:20,233 --> 00:53:24,804
to those questions yet ourself
O.J., okay?

1224
00:53:24,938 --> 00:53:26,806
[Bill] Did you ever hit her
O.J.?

1225
00:53:26,940 --> 00:53:29,109
[O.J.] Uh... That one night,
we had a fight that night.

1226
00:53:29,242 --> 00:53:32,245
That night we had a fight.
She hit me, you know.

1227
00:53:32,312 --> 00:53:34,581
And as I said,
they never took my statement.

1228
00:53:34,647 --> 00:53:37,417
T They never want to hear

1229
00:53:37,484 --> 00:53:39,285
the housekeeper's side.
Nicole was drunk.

1230
00:53:39,352 --> 00:53:42,122
She did her thing.
She did her thing.
S

1231
00:53:42,255 --> 00:53:43,356
She hit me.

1232
00:53:43,456 --> 00:53:45,625
I, I, I got to tell you,
just listen to this.

1233
00:53:45,692 --> 00:53:47,794
It's sort of...

1234
00:53:47,861 --> 00:53:49,295
she's dead, right?

1235
00:53:49,429 --> 00:53:51,131
Let's what else we got here.

1236
00:53:51,264 --> 00:53:54,000
[O.J.] I didn't punch her or
anything, but I, I, you know...

1237
00:53:54,134 --> 00:53:55,454
[Bill]
Slapped her a couple times.

1238
00:53:55,502 --> 00:53:57,804
[O.J.] No, no, I wrastled her
is what I did.

1239
00:53:57,937 --> 00:54:00,774
I haven't slapped her at all.
Nicole's a strong girl.

1240
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,643
She's a [scoffs] one of
the most conditioned women

1241
00:54:03,777 --> 00:54:06,279
since that period of time.
She's hit me a few times,

1242
00:54:06,346 --> 00:54:08,047
but I've never touched her
after that.

1243
00:54:08,048 --> 00:54:10,159
[Tom] Did Mr. Weissman, your
your lawyer, your attorney

1244
00:54:10,183 --> 00:54:12,052
talk to you anything
about this polygraph?

1245
00:54:12,152 --> 00:54:13,787
About us performing one?

1246
00:54:13,853 --> 00:54:15,488
But what are your thoughts on
that?

1247
00:54:15,555 --> 00:54:17,199
[O.J.] Should I talk about my
thoughts on that?

1248
00:54:17,223 --> 00:54:19,159
You know, I mean, I'm sure
eventually I'll do it.

1249
00:54:19,292 --> 00:54:21,661
But it's like I got some
weird thoughts now.

1250
00:54:21,728 --> 00:54:23,697
[Tom] The reason we're
talking to you is you're,

1251
00:54:23,830 --> 00:54:25,064
you're the ex-husband.

1252
00:54:25,065 --> 00:54:27,334
[O.J.] I know I'm
the number one target.

1253
00:54:27,467 --> 00:54:29,736
And now you're telling me
And now you're telling me
I

1254
00:54:29,836 --> 00:54:32,071
[Tom] Well, there's blood at
your house in the driveway

1255
00:54:32,072 --> 00:54:34,407
and that footstep,
we got a search warrant.

1256
00:54:34,507 --> 00:54:35,875
W

1257
00:54:36,076 --> 00:54:37,877
[Bill] Is that your blood?
This drip there.

1258
00:54:38,078 --> 00:54:41,348
[O.J.] If this is what I dripped
running around trying to leave.

1259
00:54:41,414 --> 00:54:43,326
- [Tom] Last night?
- [O.J.] Yeah and I wasn't aware

1260
00:54:43,350 --> 00:54:46,753
that it... I was aware that
I you know, I was trying to

1261
00:54:46,853 --> 00:54:49,923
get out of the house. I didn't
pay any attention to it.

1262
00:54:50,090 --> 00:54:52,359
I mean, you've got to be,
like just pissed off.

1263
00:54:52,492 --> 00:54:54,361
Why aren't they using
this stuff that we found?

1264
00:54:54,427 --> 00:54:56,863
It was never put on as evidence
and it should have been.

1265
00:54:56,930 --> 00:54:59,699
Could have sent you or me to
prison for the rest of our life.

1266
00:54:59,766 --> 00:55:01,744
[Kato] I can tell you one thing
I keep close to my heart

1267
00:55:01,768 --> 00:55:03,913
is to know where I came from
and all that and I still have

1268
00:55:03,937 --> 00:55:07,941
my house guest key and yeah...

1269
00:55:11,878 --> 00:55:15,682
Much of autopsy photos trying to
determine what happened.

1270
00:55:15,749 --> 00:55:19,052
Now, again, the blood tells the
story, but the wounds

1271
00:55:19,085 --> 00:55:20,387
also tell the story.

1272
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:22,255
Well, one thing,
the body is evidence

1273
00:55:22,389 --> 00:55:24,724
and then the clothing that the
person wears is evidence.

1274
00:55:24,858 --> 00:55:27,360
And one other thing that
people don't regard a lot

1275
00:55:27,427 --> 00:55:31,464
is the lack of blood in certain
areas is also evidence.

1276
00:55:31,564 --> 00:55:36,202
She goes down because of these
four stab wounds, that here,

1277
00:55:36,269 --> 00:55:41,908
that penetrate her heart and it
had to be a long bladed knife

1278
00:55:42,075 --> 00:55:45,412
to go that deep.
On top of her head,

1279
00:55:45,545 --> 00:55:48,381
she also has a stab wound.
She has contusions.

1280
00:55:48,448 --> 00:55:50,283
This would put somebody down
very quickly.

1281
00:55:50,417 --> 00:55:53,553
There's another wound on her
that hasn't happened yet

1282
00:55:53,620 --> 00:55:55,655
because Ron Goldman walks up.

1283
00:55:55,755 --> 00:55:58,992
He is stabbed multiple, multiple
times. He's in a fight.

1284
00:55:59,092 --> 00:56:02,062
Look at all the
defensive wounds on him.

1285
00:56:02,128 --> 00:56:04,431
He is struggling
with everything within him.

1286
00:56:04,497 --> 00:56:08,935
There's a total of 29 stabbing
wounds, cuts, defensive wounds.

1287
00:56:09,035 --> 00:56:11,838
And this happened, as we know,
in seconds.

1288
00:56:11,938 --> 00:56:13,440
There's what's called
a swallowtail,

1289
00:56:13,573 --> 00:56:17,344
if you will look at this,
you'll see that the knife is in

1290
00:56:17,444 --> 00:56:19,446
its down deep in his neck.

1291
00:56:19,579 --> 00:56:22,148
Now this is a long bladed knife.
Here's what's significant.

1292
00:56:22,282 --> 00:56:25,685
This swallowtail means that the
knife cut at this plane

1293
00:56:25,785 --> 00:56:28,321
and then the knife shifted
and cut at this plane.

1294
00:56:28,455 --> 00:56:30,757
Do you know why it shifted?
It's because he's moving.

1295
00:56:30,824 --> 00:56:33,126
He's got a knife in his neck
and he is struggling

1296
00:56:33,259 --> 00:56:35,795
and he is still up.
Now, one thing that tells me

1297
00:56:35,862 --> 00:56:38,465
that he was up
a significant amount of time

1298
00:56:38,531 --> 00:56:42,202
is the wounds to his body
bled as he is standing.

1299
00:56:42,302 --> 00:56:45,138
If you go shift over to the
picture of his pants

1300
00:56:45,205 --> 00:56:48,274
that are over here on the wall,
it's down both sides,

1301
00:56:48,341 --> 00:56:51,111
this doesn't happen when you're
laying in on the ground

1302
00:56:51,177 --> 00:56:52,645
in the position that he's in.

1303
00:56:52,779 --> 00:56:54,647
Look at all the way down
on the right side.

1304
00:56:54,781 --> 00:56:56,783
- Sure.
- Huge amount of blood.

1305
00:56:56,850 --> 00:56:59,152
But it takes a little time
to soak, and to run.

1306
00:56:59,219 --> 00:57:00,487
So he's fighting.

1307
00:57:00,620 --> 00:57:03,023
This kid is fighting
with everything within him.

1308
00:57:03,123 --> 00:57:05,025
Even with the wounds,
he's not going to go down

1309
00:57:05,058 --> 00:57:07,394
because he's trying to save
that person's life

1310
00:57:07,494 --> 00:57:09,734
that's laying there, that he's
delivering the glasses to,

1311
00:57:09,796 --> 00:57:11,297
that's laying down on that step.

1312
00:57:11,364 --> 00:57:13,084
[Tom] And you can tell
by the lack of blood,

1313
00:57:13,133 --> 00:57:15,301
- they're perimortem wounds.
- [Rod] Exactly.

1314
00:57:15,368 --> 00:57:17,337
She has abrasions from
consistent with going down

1315
00:57:17,470 --> 00:57:20,040
against that tree.
So he's in a fight.

1316
00:57:20,073 --> 00:57:22,642
So now he's down
and he's seated on his buttocks.

1317
00:57:22,709 --> 00:57:24,678
He has his back
up against the fence,

1318
00:57:24,811 --> 00:57:27,681
the attacker could have left
the scene at that time.

1319
00:57:27,814 --> 00:57:29,516
But that's when
the attacker goes over

1320
00:57:29,649 --> 00:57:32,652
and we've already looked at
the wounds of Nicole Simpson,

1321
00:57:32,719 --> 00:57:36,389
but the one that is going to
ensure that she's going to die.

1322
00:57:36,523 --> 00:57:38,892
[Allan] You know,
made the second call at 10:44.

1323
00:57:39,059 --> 00:57:42,362
He made the third call.
I think we're up to about 10:46

1324
00:57:42,495 --> 00:57:46,700
at about that time.
That's when I see a dark figure

1325
00:57:46,766 --> 00:57:48,268
come across the driveway here.

1326
00:57:54,274 --> 00:57:56,976
I heard a noise,
a picture moved.

1327
00:57:57,077 --> 00:57:59,079
Sort of a...
like, what was that?

1328
00:57:59,145 --> 00:58:01,181
[O.J.] I know I'm
the number one target.

1329
00:58:01,314 --> 00:58:03,183
You've got to be, like,
just pissed off.

1330
00:58:03,316 --> 00:58:05,161
[O.J.] I knew I was bleeding,
but it was no big deal.

1331
00:58:05,185 --> 00:58:05,919
I bleed all the time.

1332
00:58:06,019 --> 00:58:07,387
[Tom] The blood tells the story,

1333
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:10,657
but the wounds also
tell a story.

1334
00:58:10,724 --> 00:58:13,593
[Rod] And we've already looked
at the wounds of Nicole Simpson,

1335
00:58:13,693 --> 00:58:17,097
but the one that is going to
ensure that she's going to die.

1336
00:58:17,197 --> 00:58:18,431
That's right here.

1337
00:58:18,531 --> 00:58:20,176
This is cut all the way
back to the vertebrae.

1338
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:21,668
But the attacker
didn't stop there.

1339
00:58:21,735 --> 00:58:24,604
Turns and goes back to
Ron Goldman,

1340
00:58:24,704 --> 00:58:26,840
which is just a step
and pulls him over.

1341
00:58:26,906 --> 00:58:29,109
That's when you saw
his shirt way up.

1342
00:58:29,209 --> 00:58:30,877
Sure, these are grab marks
on the shirt.

1343
00:58:31,044 --> 00:58:32,355
- [Tom] Goldman's shirt.
- [Rod] That's what they...

1344
00:58:32,379 --> 00:58:33,723
that's a pattern.
That's another pattern.

1345
00:58:33,747 --> 00:58:37,350
And grabs him and then goes from
his right to his left

1346
00:58:37,417 --> 00:58:39,452
with the same knife
cutting his throat.

1347
00:58:39,552 --> 00:58:43,456
And that's insurance
that both of them are dead.

1348
00:58:43,556 --> 00:58:45,091
Got everything but
a serial number.

1349
00:58:45,225 --> 00:58:47,560
I mean, with all of these
wounds, people will say, well,

1350
00:58:47,694 --> 00:58:49,596
there's two different knives
and all that is

1351
00:58:49,729 --> 00:58:51,131
is an intersecting wound.

1352
00:58:51,231 --> 00:58:54,267
[Rod] Just imagine Nicole was
probably playing with her Akita.

1353
00:58:54,401 --> 00:58:55,878
- Yeah.
- The door rings or something,

1354
00:58:55,902 --> 00:58:59,439
and she goes out,
life is over in seconds.

1355
00:58:59,572 --> 00:59:02,208
- My gosh.
- You know you're going to die.

1356
00:59:02,275 --> 00:59:05,078
You don't see it. If I could...
You know you're going to die.

1357
00:59:05,145 --> 00:59:07,080
This is nine months
after the trial,

1358
00:59:07,147 --> 00:59:09,416
jurors are appearing on things
like Larry King,

1359
00:59:09,482 --> 00:59:12,252
juror number three,
female, white, age 60.

1360
00:59:12,318 --> 00:59:15,588
She states she feels
he was guilty,

1361
00:59:15,655 --> 00:59:19,592
but the evidence wasn't there
and I've got, huh?

1362
00:59:19,726 --> 00:59:21,804
With a big question mark, I
don't care if he was guilty

1363
00:59:21,828 --> 00:59:24,030
or not guilty, you didn't look
at the evidence.

1364
00:59:24,097 --> 00:59:25,832
But there was other things
in this, too,

1365
00:59:25,932 --> 00:59:28,034
that was very important
that need to be brought out.

1366
00:59:28,101 --> 00:59:32,505
And one of them was a photograph
of Nicole in a little negligee,

1367
00:59:32,605 --> 00:59:34,674
a black negligee
that she was wearing.

1368
00:59:34,774 --> 00:59:37,777
There was a pattern
on that negligee

1369
00:59:37,911 --> 00:59:41,114
right under her right arm
on her back.

1370
00:59:41,247 --> 00:59:42,849
And it appeared to be
a footprint.

1371
00:59:42,949 --> 00:59:44,184
And it was very well defined,

1372
00:59:44,284 --> 00:59:46,319
but a good picture
wasn't taken of it.

1373
00:59:46,453 --> 00:59:48,331
[Tom] You circled something
here. What did you circle?

1374
00:59:48,355 --> 00:59:50,857
[Rod] I did. When I looked at
this clothing.

1375
00:59:50,957 --> 00:59:54,661
This was a footprint type
impression in like mud and blood

1376
00:59:54,794 --> 00:59:56,196
on her back.

1377
00:59:56,296 --> 00:59:58,965
There was a lot of flaky blood
there. Doesn't show it here.

1378
00:59:59,065 --> 01:00:01,368
Now, what does that mean?
That means that blood

1379
01:00:01,468 --> 01:00:03,870
had to be on the ground
before this was applied, right?

1380
01:00:03,970 --> 01:00:06,139
- Yeah.
- And so this is a

1381
01:00:06,272 --> 01:00:10,643
stomp impression before he left,
which includes that...

1382
01:00:10,777 --> 01:00:13,213
there's that rage
and it's right here

1383
01:00:13,313 --> 01:00:15,482
on her back
underneath the clothing.

1384
01:00:15,548 --> 01:00:17,851
Looks like a shoe impression,
which is bruising,

1385
01:00:17,984 --> 01:00:19,786
which means her heart
is still beating.

1386
01:00:19,853 --> 01:00:21,521
- Right.
- So she had a little bit of life

1387
01:00:21,654 --> 01:00:23,414
left in her in those
few seconds that it took

1388
01:00:23,490 --> 01:00:27,660
this thing to occur and here you
have that pattern.

1389
01:00:27,794 --> 01:00:33,333
That's not lividity. So that is
a last final, you know...

1390
01:00:33,633 --> 01:00:34,900
He's thinking.

1391
01:00:34,901 --> 01:00:36,336
I don't want to say it.

1392
01:00:36,403 --> 01:00:39,639
- You testify to that?
- That's a medical examiner's.

1393
01:00:39,706 --> 01:00:41,675
- And we had it.
- Who found it?

1394
01:00:41,808 --> 01:00:44,177
- Well, I found it.
- Yeah. You're supposed to share

1395
01:00:44,244 --> 01:00:47,514
- with the prosecutor, right?
- Right. Well, we did.

1396
01:00:47,580 --> 01:00:50,083
I know you did. We've shared a
lot with the prosecutor.

1397
01:00:50,183 --> 01:00:53,520
- We just didn't see it in trial.
- Right. Right.

1398
01:00:53,586 --> 01:00:56,589
You have to look at every piece
of evidence, every piece,

1399
01:00:56,690 --> 01:00:59,392
looking at everything
in order to reconstruct.

1400
01:00:59,526 --> 01:01:01,661
In Ron Goldman's shirt
had two patterns

1401
01:01:01,728 --> 01:01:04,864
on the back of the shirt
and they were grab patterns.

1402
01:01:04,931 --> 01:01:06,533
[Tom] This is Ron Goldman's
shirt.

1403
01:01:06,666 --> 01:01:08,044
[Rod] Okay. This is very
interesting.

1404
01:01:08,068 --> 01:01:10,603
This is something that
wasn't used in the trial.

1405
01:01:10,704 --> 01:01:14,174
But these are hand transfers.

1406
01:01:14,240 --> 01:01:17,110
And I looked at that,
took pictures of that

1407
01:01:17,210 --> 01:01:20,847
and actually picked hairs
off of the front of that jacket.

1408
01:01:20,914 --> 01:01:23,883
This is consistent with a
grabbing of the material

1409
01:01:24,084 --> 01:01:27,187
and in the struggle
or pulling him over to his side

1410
01:01:27,253 --> 01:01:29,089
when he's up against the fence.

1411
01:01:29,122 --> 01:01:31,224
And that's why you see what
looks like fingers

1412
01:01:31,358 --> 01:01:34,260
in the voids in between, because
the blood can't get there.

1413
01:01:34,394 --> 01:01:37,397
And you have sort of a twisting
action that is here

1414
01:01:37,464 --> 01:01:40,467
in both of these. If I grabbed
you with the bloody hand,

1415
01:01:40,567 --> 01:01:42,202
I'm going to grab you

1416
01:01:42,268 --> 01:01:44,137
when it's released
and goes to the lab.

1417
01:01:44,237 --> 01:01:46,606
The laboratory will
lay it out flat

1418
01:01:46,740 --> 01:01:50,110
and then you will see voids,
blood can't get down in there.

1419
01:01:50,210 --> 01:01:52,245
And that's why you see
what looks like fingers

1420
01:01:52,312 --> 01:01:55,215
in the voids in between because
the blood can't get there.

1421
01:01:55,281 --> 01:01:58,451
And you have a sort of a
twisting action that is here

1422
01:01:58,585 --> 01:02:00,920
- in both of these.
- Same time you showed the DA

1423
01:02:01,054 --> 01:02:03,156
- the pictures?
- Yes. And explained

1424
01:02:03,256 --> 01:02:05,792
what the grab marks were.
Yeah. It's not a stab and run.

1425
01:02:05,925 --> 01:02:08,137
This is going to tell us what
happened during the struggle.

1426
01:02:08,161 --> 01:02:10,396
So the jury sitting there,
they don't know about this.

1427
01:02:10,397 --> 01:02:10,463
Man to man, right?

1428
01:02:11,364 --> 01:02:12,908
Ron Goldman had no stab wounds
in his back.

1429
01:02:12,932 --> 01:02:14,934
They were at the side
and there were five defects

1430
01:02:15,068 --> 01:02:18,338
in the back of the shirt, but he
had no stab wounds in his back.

1431
01:02:18,438 --> 01:02:20,607
What does that mean? It's
consistent with the struggle.

1432
01:02:20,674 --> 01:02:24,811
Struggle around while the
jacket, the shirt is being held

1433
01:02:24,944 --> 01:02:27,280
tightly, and then it's twisted
in such a way

1434
01:02:27,347 --> 01:02:30,784
that when he's stabbed, he's
actually stabbing into his side.

1435
01:02:30,917 --> 01:02:32,686
That's just indicative
of a struggle.

1436
01:02:32,786 --> 01:02:34,821
There were superficial wounds
on his neck.

1437
01:02:34,954 --> 01:02:37,791
These are just simply wounds
where the attacker

1438
01:02:37,857 --> 01:02:40,493
couldn't get the knife in
trying to cut the throat.

1439
01:02:40,627 --> 01:02:43,430
What came between
were these appendages the hands,

1440
01:02:43,496 --> 01:02:46,700
the gloves on the hand
in this fight, this is going on.

1441
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,469
- Yeah.
- And there's a there's has to be

1442
01:02:49,602 --> 01:02:52,706
an arm around the neck
of Ron Goldman because

1443
01:02:52,806 --> 01:02:54,674
the glove comes off.
I mean, he's not going to

1444
01:02:54,808 --> 01:02:56,085
turn around, say,
hey, stop fighting.

1445
01:02:56,109 --> 01:02:57,687
I'ma take off the glove.
You just don't do that.

1446
01:02:57,711 --> 01:02:59,112
This is a struggle.

1447
01:02:59,179 --> 01:03:01,190
[Tom] Recovered a bunch of
gloves from Simpson's house

1448
01:03:01,214 --> 01:03:03,516
per the search warrant
and I was told to go in

1449
01:03:03,650 --> 01:03:08,054
and in court, open court
out of the presence of the jury,

1450
01:03:08,121 --> 01:03:10,690
prosecutors here,
defense lawyers here,

1451
01:03:10,824 --> 01:03:13,059
investigators behind them
and I'm just kind of

1452
01:03:13,126 --> 01:03:16,830
looking over the top and they
don't want me to be looking.

1453
01:03:16,963 --> 01:03:19,041
And I said, wait a minute.
I've been instructed to watch

1454
01:03:19,065 --> 01:03:21,233
what he's doing when
he puts the gloves on,

1455
01:03:21,234 --> 01:03:22,311
[Man] You think O.J. had a bag
with the bloody clothes

1456
01:03:22,335 --> 01:03:23,646
because every time he put
a new pair of gloves on,

1457
01:03:23,670 --> 01:03:26,072
he's under the counsel table
like this, putting them on,

1458
01:03:26,172 --> 01:03:27,674
well, they were
slipping right on.

1459
01:03:27,741 --> 01:03:30,343
These are from my house?
Simpson is asking me.

1460
01:03:30,410 --> 01:03:31,845
These are from my house?

1461
01:03:31,978 --> 01:03:34,313
No, no, no talking. No talking.
They shut me up real quick.

1462
01:03:34,314 --> 01:03:35,358
[Tom] Mr. Simpson, you have the
right to remain silent.

1463
01:03:35,382 --> 01:03:36,525
This again, was out of the
presence of the jury.

1464
01:03:36,549 --> 01:03:39,085
But again, they're just trying
to cover this stuff up.

1465
01:03:39,185 --> 01:03:42,088
You got to keep it simple.
Be able to explain it.

1466
01:03:42,188 --> 01:03:44,090
Don't talk over anybody
at a level

1467
01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:45,425
that they don't understand.

1468
01:03:45,525 --> 01:03:47,092
I'm not the best artist
in the world.

1469
01:03:47,093 --> 01:03:49,396
You know, this is
Nicole Simpson's wounds.

1470
01:03:49,529 --> 01:03:52,599
She had seven stab wounds
to neck and the scalp.

1471
01:03:52,699 --> 01:03:55,101
I describe the severed wound
on her neck.

1472
01:03:55,201 --> 01:03:58,171
There's not one thing
that's not explainable.

1473
01:03:58,238 --> 01:04:00,707
[Tom] Somebody made a quote
about it sounds like

1474
01:04:00,774 --> 01:04:02,742
we screwed everything up.
I said, you know,

1475
01:04:02,876 --> 01:04:04,711
we screwed this case up
at every level

1476
01:04:04,778 --> 01:04:07,547
and everything still comes back
pointing at Simpson,

1477
01:04:07,614 --> 01:04:10,450
there was nothing exculpatory
in this case

1478
01:04:10,550 --> 01:04:13,053
that was substantive nature.
And by that, I mean

1479
01:04:13,119 --> 01:04:15,121
there's nothing anybody could
point to that says,

1480
01:04:15,221 --> 01:04:17,791
well, maybe he didn't do it,
which is very rare

1481
01:04:17,891 --> 01:04:19,092
in any murder case.

1482
01:04:19,225 --> 01:04:20,703
Would you use these
testifying in court?

1483
01:04:20,727 --> 01:04:22,104
[Rod] Oh, I'd have them
in front of me.

1484
01:04:22,128 --> 01:04:23,363
[Tom] That's why you did this.

1485
01:04:23,430 --> 01:04:25,432
And I would provide the defense
a copy of these.

1486
01:04:25,565 --> 01:04:27,734
- That's what you did.
- I don't hide these.

1487
01:04:27,867 --> 01:04:29,536
They never ask for my numbers.

1488
01:04:29,602 --> 01:04:34,808
10-11-1994, a few months after
it happened on June 12th.

1489
01:04:34,908 --> 01:04:36,752
- For the trial.
- And here we have the autopsy,

1490
01:04:36,776 --> 01:04:39,212
the transection of the neck,
the left jugular.

1491
01:04:39,279 --> 01:04:43,083
That gives me where the wound
started, you know,

1492
01:04:43,216 --> 01:04:46,753
from his right to his left,
because it comes deeper,

1493
01:04:46,820 --> 01:04:49,656
starts shallower, and then we
have multiple stab wounds

1494
01:04:49,756 --> 01:04:51,925
to the chest and the abdomen
and the thigh.

1495
01:04:52,092 --> 01:04:54,461
That's why you have all the
bleeding that we have

1496
01:04:54,594 --> 01:04:58,932
on his pants and numerous
bruises, abrasions, cuts,

1497
01:04:58,998 --> 01:05:01,935
stab wounds, the left jugular.

1498
01:05:02,068 --> 01:05:04,637
You know where my reports
had to go?

1499
01:05:04,771 --> 01:05:06,806
Did you... are you aware
that I was not allowed

1500
01:05:06,940 --> 01:05:09,609
to send my reports
to who I worked for

1501
01:05:09,676 --> 01:05:12,746
and was hired by
and retained by the prosecution?

1502
01:05:12,812 --> 01:05:18,084
I was ordered to send everything
everything to Judge Ito.

1503
01:05:18,151 --> 01:05:20,153
So I think the ball
is in your court to justify.

1504
01:05:20,286 --> 01:05:22,164
That's the strangest thing
I've ever had happened.

1505
01:05:22,188 --> 01:05:24,068
Who ordered you to send
everything to judge Ito?

1506
01:05:24,124 --> 01:05:25,835
Judge Ito did.
You didn't know that, did you?

1507
01:05:25,859 --> 01:05:27,093
No, I didn't know that.

1508
01:05:27,160 --> 01:05:29,629
The National Enquirer was
setting up some kind of

1509
01:05:29,763 --> 01:05:33,466
a command post in Simi Valley
to do some background on me.

1510
01:05:33,600 --> 01:05:37,303
Sunday, March 12th. I got one of
my daughters, 11 years old,

1511
01:05:37,437 --> 01:05:38,838
and I'm taking her
to Sunday school.

1512
01:05:38,972 --> 01:05:41,474
Back around this time,
they still had phone booths

1513
01:05:41,608 --> 01:05:43,686
and there was a phone booth
outside the service station.

1514
01:05:43,710 --> 01:05:45,979
And I look over
and I do a double take.

1515
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:49,149
If it wasn't Carl Douglas,
the defense attorney,

1516
01:05:49,215 --> 01:05:50,817
then he's got
a double somewhere.

1517
01:05:50,884 --> 01:05:53,853
I live in Simi Valley and
everybody knows that's where

1518
01:05:53,987 --> 01:05:58,191
the Rodney King trial occurred.
So people who are racists,

1519
01:05:58,324 --> 01:06:01,294
and who are dirty cops,
who plant evidence,

1520
01:06:01,361 --> 01:06:02,862
they must live in Simi Valley.

1521
01:06:03,029 --> 01:06:05,398
Three times, while I was on the
stand, Cochran asked me

1522
01:06:05,498 --> 01:06:07,867
about Simi Valley,
to tie me into that.

1523
01:06:08,034 --> 01:06:10,236
So I look at this
and I'm thinking, Well, yeah,

1524
01:06:10,337 --> 01:06:11,738
they tried to push this thing.

1525
01:06:11,838 --> 01:06:13,373
This is not a racist valley.

1526
01:06:13,506 --> 01:06:17,544
In a high profile case,
especially one that's televised,

1527
01:06:17,677 --> 01:06:21,247
to 55 million people a day.
The court wants to maintain

1528
01:06:21,348 --> 01:06:24,049
some type of control,
I would think.

1529
01:06:24,050 --> 01:06:26,052
Not true necessarily
in this case.

1530
01:06:26,086 --> 01:06:28,188
Stop this cover up.

1531
01:06:28,254 --> 01:06:30,924
If you have the defense
going to the media

1532
01:06:31,057 --> 01:06:34,327
two or three times a day
during trial,

1533
01:06:34,394 --> 01:06:37,397
going after witnesses, the court
should have instructed

1534
01:06:37,530 --> 01:06:41,434
all the attorneys, cops,
anybody else involved

1535
01:06:41,534 --> 01:06:44,537
that they should not talk to
anybody about any evidence

1536
01:06:44,604 --> 01:06:47,574
at any time in this case
until the case is concluded.

1537
01:06:47,707 --> 01:06:50,877
Nobody got gagged,
except two people.

1538
01:06:51,077 --> 01:06:52,579
Me and my partner.

1539
01:06:52,712 --> 01:06:55,348
And the defense loved it
when we got gagged

1540
01:06:55,415 --> 01:06:56,549
and they weren't.

1541
01:06:56,616 --> 01:06:58,060
[Rod] Looking at
this photograph here,

1542
01:06:58,084 --> 01:07:00,353
that bring back any memories.

1543
01:07:00,420 --> 01:07:04,257
[Allan] Yeah it does
and you know, not good ones.

1544
01:07:04,391 --> 01:07:07,193
I'm Allan Park,
O.J. Simpson's limousine driver,

1545
01:07:07,260 --> 01:07:12,298
the unknown that became the
known more than I ever wanted.

1546
01:07:13,233 --> 01:07:14,734
The time I left?
11:15.

1547
01:07:14,801 --> 01:07:16,679
You wouldn't lie to me when I
talk to you, would you?

1548
01:07:16,703 --> 01:07:17,737
No.

1549
01:07:17,804 --> 01:07:19,739
It was for a 10:45
pickup that night.

1550
01:07:19,873 --> 01:07:22,742
No activity in the house
or on the property or anything.

1551
01:07:22,809 --> 01:07:25,311
I sat there for a little bit,
smoked a cigarette.

1552
01:07:25,412 --> 01:07:27,814
I saw that there was a um,
an intercom system right there

1553
01:07:27,914 --> 01:07:30,116
with a telephone.
Rang, rang, rang, rang, rang.

1554
01:07:30,250 --> 01:07:31,317
No answer, no answer.

1555
01:07:31,418 --> 01:07:33,086
Started to ring
on the intercom again.

1556
01:07:33,219 --> 01:07:35,588
Ring, ring, ring, ring, ring.
No answer, no answer.

1557
01:07:35,655 --> 01:07:37,695
When I made the first call,
you know you're talking,

1558
01:07:37,724 --> 01:07:42,929
you know, 10:43 you know,
I made the second call 10:44.

1559
01:07:43,063 --> 01:07:44,297
Made the third call.

1560
01:07:44,431 --> 01:07:46,933
I think we're up to about 10:46
at about that time.

1561
01:07:47,067 --> 01:07:52,105
That's when I see a dark figure
come across the driveway here

1562
01:07:52,238 --> 01:07:54,774
and there you see the paw print,
just like we have

1563
01:07:54,908 --> 01:07:56,343
in the photograph that's here.

1564
01:07:56,443 --> 01:08:00,080
Same pattern was projected
onto her back.

1565
01:08:00,146 --> 01:08:01,481
- Yeah.
- In that photograph.

1566
01:08:01,614 --> 01:08:03,650
You just don't speculate and
throw ideas out there

1567
01:08:03,783 --> 01:08:04,994
to the jury and say,
because I said so.

1568
01:08:05,018 --> 01:08:06,119
That doesn't cut it.

1569
01:08:12,125 --> 01:08:14,894
The one that is going to ensure
that she's going to die.

1570
01:08:15,028 --> 01:08:16,229
It's right here.

1571
01:08:16,296 --> 01:08:20,033
And numerous bruises, abrasions,
cuts, stab wounds.

1572
01:08:20,100 --> 01:08:22,769
I was ordered to send everything
to Judge Ito.

1573
01:08:22,836 --> 01:08:24,137
It's the strangest thing.

1574
01:08:24,270 --> 01:08:28,675
That's when I see dark figure
come across the driveway.

1575
01:08:29,476 --> 01:08:31,611
I'm here at the gate looking
straight in.

1576
01:08:31,745 --> 01:08:33,813
I could see him
from about this area here,

1577
01:08:33,947 --> 01:08:35,248
is when he comes into view.

1578
01:08:35,315 --> 01:08:36,783
- It was a quick walk.
- Quick walk.

1579
01:08:36,916 --> 01:08:38,260
It wasn't a run,
pick up the intercom again

1580
01:08:38,284 --> 01:08:40,053
and start to ring.
It rang a few times

1581
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,155
before he finally picked up
and he said, you know,

1582
01:08:42,288 --> 01:08:43,656
Hey, hey, man, sorry
I overslept.

1583
01:08:43,790 --> 01:08:45,768
I just got outta the shower
and I'll be down in a minute.

1584
01:08:45,792 --> 01:08:47,036
I'm expecting him to
open up the gate.

1585
01:08:47,060 --> 01:08:48,437
He never buzzed me in,
the gate never opened.

1586
01:08:48,461 --> 01:08:50,363
And Allan said that he
felt something strange.

1587
01:08:50,463 --> 01:08:52,699
It didn't fit. You know, he's
here to pick someone up,

1588
01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:56,970
take 'em to the airport,
something he didn't understand.

1589
01:08:57,103 --> 01:08:59,539
And it's not too long
after I hang up the intercom,

1590
01:08:59,639 --> 01:09:02,842
I see another person come out
from this walkway out here

1591
01:09:03,009 --> 01:09:03,877
up to the driveway.

1592
01:09:04,010 --> 01:09:05,311
We all know now it was Kato.

1593
01:09:05,378 --> 01:09:06,658
Opens up the gate
and lets me in.

1594
01:09:06,780 --> 01:09:09,015
Kato's right up on me and he's
like, hey man, hey, hey,

1595
01:09:09,149 --> 01:09:10,316
did you feel an earthquake?

1596
01:09:12,018 --> 01:09:14,354
[Reporter] Kato had not seen
O.J. for more than an hour

1597
01:09:14,487 --> 01:09:17,290
since their return
from McDonald's at 9:35.

1598
01:09:17,357 --> 01:09:19,826
[Attorney] Did he seem real
excited to have you come?

1599
01:09:20,026 --> 01:09:21,161
[Judge] Sustained.

1600
01:09:21,294 --> 01:09:22,662
Wouldn't you?

1601
01:09:22,796 --> 01:09:24,306
[Allan] Meanwhile OJ still
hasn't come out of the house.

1602
01:09:24,330 --> 01:09:26,509
At one point Kato tells me that,
he goes, well, I was talking

1603
01:09:26,533 --> 01:09:28,401
to a girlfriend of mine
on the phone.

1604
01:09:28,501 --> 01:09:30,637
I heard some thumps on the wall
and the picture moved.

1605
01:09:30,704 --> 01:09:33,139
And that's about when OJ
came out of the house.

1606
01:09:33,206 --> 01:09:35,742
[Tom] The word is it occurred
about 10:35 give or take.

1607
01:09:35,842 --> 01:09:39,179
We had this witness
hearing this commotion.

1608
01:09:39,245 --> 01:09:42,716
[Allan] When OJ came over to the
car, he was uh, I don't know.

1609
01:09:42,849 --> 01:09:45,050
A little bit aggitated.
He seemed to be sweating.

1610
01:09:45,051 --> 01:09:47,187
[Tom] It was warm that night
then, you're saying?

1611
01:09:47,320 --> 01:09:49,656
[Allan] It was June 12,
11:00 at night.

1612
01:09:49,723 --> 01:09:51,691
I was wearing a suit
and I wasn't hot.

1613
01:09:51,825 --> 01:09:53,526
[Tom] Was he actually sweating?

1614
01:09:53,660 --> 01:09:56,062
I'm not the sweat expert.

1615
01:09:56,196 --> 01:10:00,333
It's almost laughable.
The defense had to do something.

1616
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,268
They had their
reputations on the line.

1617
01:10:02,369 --> 01:10:05,105
The world is watching them, too.
What are they gonna do?

1618
01:10:05,205 --> 01:10:07,273
Are they gonna roll over
and say, yeah, he did it.

1619
01:10:07,374 --> 01:10:08,742
That he didn't mean to?

1620
01:10:08,875 --> 01:10:11,011
No, they're gonna
attack everything.

1621
01:10:11,077 --> 01:10:13,422
[Allan] As we're standing there,
he overhears Kato asking about

1622
01:10:13,446 --> 01:10:15,515
an earthquake again.
And that's when O.J. asked.

1623
01:10:15,582 --> 01:10:17,083
He goes, oh,
we had an earthquake?

1624
01:10:17,217 --> 01:10:18,861
It's like, no man,
we didn't have an earthquake.

1625
01:10:18,885 --> 01:10:20,286
Dude, come on.

1626
01:10:20,387 --> 01:10:23,456
Kato is generally, he's scared
about something back there.

1627
01:10:23,556 --> 01:10:24,958
I can tell.
He's really aggitated.

1628
01:10:25,058 --> 01:10:26,902
And he really wants to go
back there and check it out.

1629
01:10:26,926 --> 01:10:28,361
[Tom] Back where?

1630
01:10:28,428 --> 01:10:30,573
[Allan] To go see where these,
the sounds were on his wall.

1631
01:10:30,597 --> 01:10:32,375
O.J. asked him about, you know,
we had an earthquake.

1632
01:10:32,399 --> 01:10:34,039
I said, no,
we didn't have any earthquake.

1633
01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:37,771
I hear O.J. clearly say, all
right, we'll go check it out.

1634
01:10:37,904 --> 01:10:39,639
And he points to Kato
to go around here.

1635
01:10:39,739 --> 01:10:43,877
He says he's gonna go that way.
O.J. follows right behind him.

1636
01:10:43,943 --> 01:10:45,303
And I'm like,
that's kind of weird.

1637
01:10:45,378 --> 01:10:46,889
He just said he was gonna
go the other way.

1638
01:10:46,913 --> 01:10:49,115
O.J. turns around and as he sees
that I'm following him,

1639
01:10:49,249 --> 01:10:51,718
he's all, we gotta go.
We gotta get out of here.

1640
01:10:51,785 --> 01:10:53,153
You know, we're runnin' late.

1641
01:10:53,253 --> 01:10:55,064
Kato offered to go get this
little, black bag that was

1642
01:10:55,088 --> 01:10:57,257
behind the uh, the black car
that, that was there,

1643
01:10:57,390 --> 01:10:58,825
with the trunk opened.

1644
01:10:58,925 --> 01:11:01,795
Simpson abruptly stopped him.
Said, no, no. I'll get that bag.

1645
01:11:01,928 --> 01:11:04,898
Went himself and grabbed this
half-bone shaped travel bag.

1646
01:11:04,964 --> 01:11:07,267
We've never seen that bag,
what was in it.

1647
01:11:07,334 --> 01:11:08,811
No, I thought it was
a little bit strange.

1648
01:11:08,835 --> 01:11:12,405
When he left American Airlines,
the last thing he remembers

1649
01:11:12,472 --> 01:11:17,944
seeing is O.J. standing right
next to the trash container

1650
01:11:18,078 --> 01:11:19,813
at the left of the entrance.

1651
01:11:19,946 --> 01:11:22,582
And on top of that trash
container is that half

1652
01:11:22,649 --> 01:11:25,185
bone-shaped travel bag
that the other witness

1653
01:11:25,285 --> 01:11:27,654
identifies as being on
top of the container.

1654
01:11:27,787 --> 01:11:29,823
Says, yeah, I also saw
him shove something down

1655
01:11:29,956 --> 01:11:31,291
in the trash container.

1656
01:11:31,424 --> 01:11:32,859
Prior to the
preliminary hearing,

1657
01:11:32,959 --> 01:11:36,096
he's interviewed by Marcia,
the prosecutor.

1658
01:11:36,162 --> 01:11:38,531
And he tells her this.
This is the last thing I saw.

1659
01:11:38,631 --> 01:11:40,800
That should have been used.
Again, to this day,

1660
01:11:40,934 --> 01:11:42,302
people say, where is the knife?

1661
01:11:42,369 --> 01:11:44,337
Where is the shoes?
Where is the clothing?

1662
01:11:44,471 --> 01:11:46,473
Well, what did he stick
in that trash container?

1663
01:11:46,539 --> 01:11:48,975
Tell me in your own words what
you think of this whole mess.

1664
01:11:49,109 --> 01:11:50,477
I'm nervous.

1665
01:11:50,610 --> 01:11:52,755
I know that I'm going on TV
in front of the world, you know,

1666
01:11:52,779 --> 01:11:54,957
and here my attorney mom is
like, oh, isn't this exciting,

1667
01:11:54,981 --> 01:11:56,449
you know?

1668
01:11:56,516 --> 01:11:58,818
I'm like, no, mom.
I'm gonna freakin' puke here.

1669
01:11:58,952 --> 01:12:00,720
[Tom] Like two days
after this occurs,

1670
01:12:00,820 --> 01:12:02,789
you get a phone call
from a couple of guys

1671
01:12:02,856 --> 01:12:04,824
who say they're lawyers,
Bob and Skip.

1672
01:12:04,958 --> 01:12:06,168
[Allan] The defense.
They were the first ones

1673
01:12:06,192 --> 01:12:08,695
- to get ahold of me, yes.
- [Tom] Anybody? Simpson?

1674
01:12:08,828 --> 01:12:10,039
They said that
they were attorneys

1675
01:12:10,063 --> 01:12:11,607
and that they were
representing Mr. Simpson.

1676
01:12:11,631 --> 01:12:13,709
[Tom] Well, when they interview
you, nobody ever advised you

1677
01:12:13,733 --> 01:12:15,067
that it was being tape recorded.

1678
01:12:15,068 --> 01:12:16,903
It was illegal,
but they continued on.

1679
01:12:17,070 --> 01:12:21,408
This is what you call
a fishing expedition.

1680
01:12:21,508 --> 01:12:23,789
[Allan] It was like Patty Jo
or something that's in charge

1681
01:12:23,843 --> 01:12:25,078
of the witnesses.

1682
01:12:25,178 --> 01:12:26,956
And she says, well,
Marcia's coming back up here.

1683
01:12:26,980 --> 01:12:28,214
She wants to talk to you.

1684
01:12:28,348 --> 01:12:30,550
Brought a tape recording
that the defense did with me.

1685
01:12:30,684 --> 01:12:32,528
We listened to the tape all
the way through and then you

1686
01:12:32,552 --> 01:12:35,255
can hear me hang-up
and the tape's still rolling.

1687
01:12:35,355 --> 01:12:38,692
And the first thing we hear them
say is, well, that's funny.

1688
01:12:38,758 --> 01:12:40,193
That's not what
O.J.'s telling us.

1689
01:12:40,326 --> 01:12:41,995
I mean, we looked
at all each other,

1690
01:12:42,095 --> 01:12:44,330
Marcia, I and our
jaws just dropped.

1691
01:12:44,397 --> 01:12:45,765
And the next thing he says,

1692
01:12:45,865 --> 01:12:47,543
are you usually sweaty when
you get out of the shower?

1693
01:12:47,567 --> 01:12:49,669
Bob Shapiro, the defense
attorney was involved.

1694
01:12:49,736 --> 01:12:52,739
He was called by his nickname
was BS, Bob Shapiro.

1695
01:12:52,872 --> 01:12:55,107
Why don't we jump to the trial?

1696
01:12:55,108 --> 01:12:56,876
Johnny Cochran has you on cross.

1697
01:12:56,943 --> 01:12:59,112
They really hammered me
on the bags.

1698
01:12:59,212 --> 01:13:02,282
You know, they brought in the
Louis Vuitton garment bag.

1699
01:13:02,382 --> 01:13:03,950
They seemed to have those bags.

1700
01:13:04,050 --> 01:13:06,162
[Reporter] O.J.'s lawyers tried
to claim the vanished valise

1701
01:13:06,186 --> 01:13:07,520
was really this one.

1702
01:13:07,587 --> 01:13:10,223
They started asking me firstly
is that, is this the bag?

1703
01:13:10,290 --> 01:13:11,591
I said, no, that's not the bag.

1704
01:13:11,725 --> 01:13:13,893
When they said, the bag,
what the bag is he talking to?

1705
01:13:14,060 --> 01:13:16,105
The bag that was on the trash
can, trying to tell me that,

1706
01:13:16,129 --> 01:13:17,740
that's it and they said,
and I even told them.

1707
01:13:17,764 --> 01:13:20,066
I said, look and that bag's
never been used.

1708
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:22,068
It's brand new,
still folded and crushed.

1709
01:13:22,135 --> 01:13:23,870
It looks like it just
came out of a package.

1710
01:13:23,937 --> 01:13:26,306
I mean, I can't believe I didn't
even see a price tag on it.

1711
01:13:26,406 --> 01:13:29,442
Judge Ito is listening to this,
but he's doing something.

1712
01:13:29,576 --> 01:13:31,578
He's not really
paying attention.

1713
01:13:31,711 --> 01:13:35,081
I don't know what they were
trying to do with the bag thing.

1714
01:13:35,115 --> 01:13:37,093
Get you to roll over on it
and say, yeah, that was it.

1715
01:13:37,117 --> 01:13:38,418
- I never did.
- Case closed.

1716
01:13:38,485 --> 01:13:40,920
Yeah, never did.

1717
01:13:43,890 --> 01:13:46,426
[Tom] I got this shot from
Bundy looking westwards,

1718
01:13:46,559 --> 01:13:48,927
towards Nicole.
We look at this.

1719
01:13:48,928 --> 01:13:50,072
There she also bought some
Bruno Maglis for herself.

1720
01:13:50,096 --> 01:13:52,465
We see all this blood flowing
down towards the street.

1721
01:13:52,599 --> 01:13:57,337
But in the middle here,
there's a lot of prints, okay?

1722
01:13:57,437 --> 01:14:01,507
The defense, one of the defense
experts came out and said

1723
01:14:01,508 --> 01:14:02,652
She takes off for Bruno Maglis
and puts them on the table.

1724
01:14:02,676 --> 01:14:03,786
When talking about the crime
scene, one of the problems

1725
01:14:03,810 --> 01:14:06,046
to the LAPD cops who were
at the crime scene,

1726
01:14:06,112 --> 01:14:07,456
they walked through
a lot of blood,

1727
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:09,949
left their footwear impressions
all over the place.

1728
01:14:10,050 --> 01:14:11,785
[Rod] Nicole's dog got out

1729
01:14:11,851 --> 01:14:14,487
and that was the
Akita dog named Kato.

1730
01:14:14,621 --> 01:14:17,190
All this is he's running up
and down in the blood

1731
01:14:17,290 --> 01:14:19,459
creating transfers
from paw prints.

1732
01:14:19,592 --> 01:14:20,794
The dog is frantic.

1733
01:14:20,927 --> 01:14:22,672
But there's dozens of them.
They're all over.

1734
01:14:22,696 --> 01:14:25,932
Yeah, the dog even goes
and puts his paws up above her,

1735
01:14:26,066 --> 01:14:30,103
the step, bloody paw prints
and doesn't go any further,

1736
01:14:30,170 --> 01:14:32,172
and drew the feet back.

1737
01:14:32,305 --> 01:14:33,516
There you can see
the paw prints.

1738
01:14:33,540 --> 01:14:35,151
He drew it back.
And it's spattered blood.

1739
01:14:35,175 --> 01:14:38,078
And then leaves,
goes up and down the sidewalk.

1740
01:14:38,144 --> 01:14:41,214
There is so much evidence
in this case.

1741
01:14:41,314 --> 01:14:46,319
Multiple paw prints,
bloody paw prints of the dog,

1742
01:14:46,453 --> 01:14:49,489
Nicole's dog running up
and down traumatized

1743
01:14:49,556 --> 01:14:50,724
as to what's going on.

1744
01:14:50,824 --> 01:14:52,992
Those are not footprints
from a human being.

1745
01:14:53,126 --> 01:14:55,295
[Tom] If I was just
looking at it objectively,

1746
01:14:55,362 --> 01:14:56,963
this needs an explanation.

1747
01:14:57,097 --> 01:14:59,666
That's a dog paw
going across here.

1748
01:14:59,733 --> 01:15:01,444
If I'm gonna look at this crime
scene and see anything,

1749
01:15:01,468 --> 01:15:02,712
and I'm of the jury
or anyone else,

1750
01:15:02,736 --> 01:15:04,013
I want to find out
what happened.

1751
01:15:04,938 --> 01:15:06,315
[Rod] So you experiment.
And I made a video.

1752
01:15:06,339 --> 01:15:08,875
And we're doing this last
experiment on concrete

1753
01:15:09,042 --> 01:15:12,512
to simulate the conditions of
concrete with the state

1754
01:15:12,579 --> 01:15:16,082
of the home with a
simulated body in the scene.

1755
01:15:16,182 --> 01:15:19,052
And we're gonna have the dog run
up close to create patterns

1756
01:15:19,185 --> 01:15:22,054
on the back of the subject to
see if those patterns match

1757
01:15:22,055 --> 01:15:24,233
the one in the scene, if
they're from a different source

1758
01:15:24,257 --> 01:15:28,761
or if they could be from the
source we're gonna create here.

1759
01:15:28,762 --> 01:15:28,862
[Rod] Look at the blood that's
on the small tree transfer.

1760
01:15:29,462 --> 01:15:30,230
So we'll pour the stage blood.

1761
01:15:30,363 --> 01:15:31,765
[Rod] And this is
a canine deputy.

1762
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:35,068
There you go.

1763
01:15:35,101 --> 01:15:38,672
It's animal blood.
Gets the dog excited.

1764
01:15:38,738 --> 01:15:41,341
And the dog will run around
leaving paw prints.

1765
01:15:41,408 --> 01:15:43,576
And I pour some more blood there

1766
01:15:43,710 --> 01:15:46,546
to see if we can replicate.

1767
01:15:46,680 --> 01:15:49,082
And the dog, there you see
the paw prints just like

1768
01:15:49,115 --> 01:15:52,085
that we have in the
photograph that's here.

1769
01:15:52,185 --> 01:15:53,887
- Yeah.
- And...

1770
01:15:54,087 --> 01:15:58,425
And then the same pattern was
projected onto her back

1771
01:15:58,558 --> 01:16:03,029
as we have here
in that photograph.

1772
01:16:03,096 --> 01:16:05,198
You just don't speculate
and throw ideas out there

1773
01:16:05,265 --> 01:16:07,534
to the jury and say
because I said so.

1774
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,902
That doesn't cut it.

1775
01:16:09,035 --> 01:16:10,846
They had a bunch of kids out
front during the trial

1776
01:16:10,870 --> 01:16:13,540
selling t-shirts, free O.J..

1777
01:16:13,606 --> 01:16:16,209
I asked this one kid.
Nice kids, actually.

1778
01:16:16,276 --> 01:16:17,516
We talked to them a little bit.

1779
01:16:17,577 --> 01:16:20,080
We had kind of a back and forth
with these kids.

1780
01:16:20,146 --> 01:16:21,748
Because they did
have a sense of humor.

1781
01:16:21,815 --> 01:16:23,049
I'd asked them, you know,

1782
01:16:23,083 --> 01:16:24,718
how do sales go
in something like this?

1783
01:16:24,784 --> 01:16:26,762
And this kid looked me right
in the eye and he said,

1784
01:16:26,786 --> 01:16:28,421
the longer you have
him in there,

1785
01:16:28,488 --> 01:16:30,423
the more money I make out here.

1786
01:16:30,557 --> 01:16:32,058
So keep going type of thing.

1787
01:16:32,092 --> 01:16:34,127
So we went inside.
We got stopped halfway in there.

1788
01:16:34,260 --> 01:16:36,930
I think it was CNN,
a young reporter, a young woman.

1789
01:16:37,063 --> 01:16:41,267
And she asked, who are those
fellas you were talking to?

1790
01:16:41,401 --> 01:16:44,404
I said, well, I'm not supposed
to tell anybody,

1791
01:16:44,471 --> 01:16:46,840
but these are these four kids.
They're witnesses.

1792
01:16:46,940 --> 01:16:49,242
And we're trying to get into
court, so nobody sees them.

1793
01:16:49,309 --> 01:16:50,777
Just screwing with them.

1794
01:16:50,910 --> 01:16:53,947
And they come on and they report
these four mysterious witnesses

1795
01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:57,584
that the prosecutors are trying
to sneak into the court.

1796
01:16:57,650 --> 01:17:00,653
Now it's the big
story of the morning.

1797
01:17:04,257 --> 01:17:06,002
[Tom] I'm gonna say
that the major controversy

1798
01:17:06,026 --> 01:17:08,461
in this whole case was
blood on the rear gate.

1799
01:17:08,595 --> 01:17:09,605
Do you remember
hearing that phrase?

1800
01:17:09,629 --> 01:17:11,097
[Rod] Yeah.

1801
01:17:11,164 --> 01:17:13,933
I didn't get involved in that
issue, but I do know about it.

1802
01:17:14,034 --> 01:17:16,603
That's why it's good to have
an objective opinion now

1803
01:17:16,670 --> 01:17:18,705
on something that I'm
about to show you here.

1804
01:17:18,805 --> 01:17:21,125
[Reporter] Defense attorney,
Barry Sheck illicits testimony

1805
01:17:21,174 --> 01:17:24,277
to support his theory
that O.J. Simpson was framed.

1806
01:17:24,344 --> 01:17:25,779
We had criminalists
at the scene,

1807
01:17:25,845 --> 01:17:27,380
you had blood everywhere.

1808
01:17:27,480 --> 01:17:29,649
Three weeks later,
we go on a walk through

1809
01:17:29,716 --> 01:17:32,819
and we come to the rear gate,
the infamous rear gate.

1810
01:17:32,952 --> 01:17:36,056
One of the district attorneys
looks down at the lower rung.

1811
01:17:36,122 --> 01:17:37,724
And he sees what
appears to be blood.

1812
01:17:37,824 --> 01:17:40,126
This is three weeks later.
And he looks at it.

1813
01:17:40,193 --> 01:17:42,062
And he says, well,
we better take that.

1814
01:17:42,162 --> 01:17:44,798
They collect the sample.
It's O.J. Simpson's blood.

1815
01:17:44,864 --> 01:17:46,866
So the big question
from the defense,

1816
01:17:47,067 --> 01:17:48,644
well, why didn't you get
this the first time?

1817
01:17:48,668 --> 01:17:50,708
It must've been planted,
so of course the media runs

1818
01:17:50,804 --> 01:17:52,739
with that and everybody
else runs with it.

1819
01:17:52,839 --> 01:17:54,674
Blood on the rear gate.

1820
01:17:54,741 --> 01:17:57,077
The Simpson jury never got
an explanation for anything.

1821
01:17:57,177 --> 01:17:59,079
This is in seconds,
in 12 seconds

1822
01:17:59,145 --> 01:18:00,747
is an explanation that

1823
01:18:00,847 --> 01:18:04,384
could take some people a month.
And you did it in 12 seconds.

1824
01:18:04,517 --> 01:18:06,219
Why in the hell
they never saw this.

1825
01:18:06,353 --> 01:18:07,633
I don't know the answer to that.

1826
01:18:13,026 --> 01:18:15,028
[Rod] The door rings or
something and she goes out.

1827
01:18:15,128 --> 01:18:17,297
Life is over in seconds.

1828
01:18:17,430 --> 01:18:18,765
You know you're gonna die.

1829
01:18:18,832 --> 01:18:21,334
We hear them say, that's not
what O.J.'s telling us.

1830
01:18:21,468 --> 01:18:25,438
[Tom] The infamous rear gate.
It's O.J. Simpson's blood.

1831
01:18:25,505 --> 01:18:27,116
Well, why didn't you get this
the first time?

1832
01:18:27,140 --> 01:18:29,180
It must've been planted,
so of course the media runs

1833
01:18:29,275 --> 01:18:31,311
with that and everybody
else runs with it.

1834
01:18:31,378 --> 01:18:33,880
Blood on the rear gate.

1835
01:18:34,047 --> 01:18:37,117
Well, in this one here, I call
my bible, my Simpson bible.

1836
01:18:37,183 --> 01:18:40,687
It's about details
with all of the nonsense

1837
01:18:40,820 --> 01:18:42,288
and all of the bureaucracy.

1838
01:18:42,355 --> 01:18:44,657
So I put the realities
in there with perceptions.

1839
01:18:44,724 --> 01:18:46,059
Neglected evidence.

1840
01:18:46,159 --> 01:18:49,896
There were 512 additional
so-called clues.

1841
01:18:50,063 --> 01:18:52,465
So I've got a couple of photos
taken on the day of the

1842
01:18:52,532 --> 01:18:54,734
crime scene investigation.
This is the rear gate.

1843
01:18:54,834 --> 01:18:56,145
I don't know how
good your sight is,

1844
01:18:56,169 --> 01:18:58,705
but if you want to
get a magnifying glass.

1845
01:18:58,838 --> 01:19:00,316
Oh, I can see what
you're talking about.

1846
01:19:00,340 --> 01:19:03,910
Can you see something down here?

1847
01:19:04,878 --> 01:19:07,814
See a little blood drop?

1848
01:19:11,851 --> 01:19:14,187
Three weeks later we had
this photograph here.

1849
01:19:14,254 --> 01:19:18,191
Same location, same
configuration, same blood.

1850
01:19:18,258 --> 01:19:20,560
I'm 100% that's the blood drop.

1851
01:19:20,694 --> 01:19:24,564
Drops of blood that are
a certain distance apart.

1852
01:19:24,698 --> 01:19:26,599
You can see the
measurement here.

1853
01:19:26,700 --> 01:19:29,536
And that still exists
in this photograph.

1854
01:19:29,669 --> 01:19:33,406
So I wanted them to rebut the
planted blood on the rear gate.

1855
01:19:33,540 --> 01:19:34,841
They wouldn't do it.

1856
01:19:34,908 --> 01:19:37,577
The bottom line is the
prosecution did not put this on.

1857
01:19:37,711 --> 01:19:41,081
It's very strong when you get
accused of planting blood

1858
01:19:41,214 --> 01:19:44,217
and you're the investigating
officer in a double murder case.

1859
01:19:44,284 --> 01:19:47,253
Someone's gotta say something.
Someone's gotta get pissed off.

1860
01:19:47,387 --> 01:19:48,555
It's as simple as that.

1861
01:19:48,688 --> 01:19:49,956
[Rod] It's a pattern.

1862
01:19:50,056 --> 01:19:51,901
In other words you have
two drops that are distant,

1863
01:19:51,925 --> 01:19:55,628
the same measurement apart.
Somebody dropped the ball.

1864
01:19:55,729 --> 01:19:57,597
Why wasn't this found
originally?

1865
01:19:57,731 --> 01:20:00,300
They did have the criminalist
testify. That's why he was...

1866
01:20:00,400 --> 01:20:01,568
Attention was diverted.

1867
01:20:01,701 --> 01:20:03,212
It was a mistake
that he didn't collect it.

1868
01:20:03,236 --> 01:20:06,473
That's too bad, but if somebody
turned this around

1869
01:20:06,573 --> 01:20:09,142
and made it sound like cops
planted this evidence.

1870
01:20:09,242 --> 01:20:10,744
We just proved that they didn't.

1871
01:20:10,877 --> 01:20:13,146
Why wouldn't they want a
jury to look at these two?

1872
01:20:13,246 --> 01:20:14,581
The defense has a motion.

1873
01:20:14,647 --> 01:20:16,058
Have you ever heard
the term, coverup?

1874
01:20:16,082 --> 01:20:18,585
[Tom] To get hair
samples from myself.

1875
01:20:18,718 --> 01:20:19,719
The coverup continues.

1876
01:20:19,786 --> 01:20:20,930
[Tom] I don't have
all that much.

1877
01:20:20,954 --> 01:20:23,323
I think the standard
was 40 follicles.

1878
01:20:23,423 --> 01:20:25,263
Maybe they'll find me
in contempt or something.

1879
01:20:25,325 --> 01:20:28,228
Cause I don't even
have that many.

1880
01:20:29,662 --> 01:20:31,943
He wants some hair samples
from us because if hair becomes

1881
01:20:31,998 --> 01:20:35,802
an issue in the case, it could
be that cops had left it there.

1882
01:20:35,935 --> 01:20:37,904
For what? I don't know.
Just a dirty cop.

1883
01:20:37,971 --> 01:20:39,439
They actually pushed it.

1884
01:20:39,506 --> 01:20:41,741
They said we would like blood
samples from these cops.

1885
01:20:41,808 --> 01:20:44,110
Well, there's only three bloods
here of any interest.

1886
01:20:44,244 --> 01:20:46,312
The two victims
and the suspect, Simpson.

1887
01:20:46,446 --> 01:20:48,314
And that's the defense.

1888
01:20:48,448 --> 01:20:49,916
And they get away
with this crap.

1889
01:20:49,983 --> 01:20:53,953
If you gag everybody involved,
prevent them from going to the

1890
01:20:54,020 --> 01:20:55,955
media three to four times a day,

1891
01:20:56,089 --> 01:20:58,958
and putting their own spin on
evidence and cops are dirty.

1892
01:20:59,092 --> 01:21:01,828
Cops are lying.
Cops are planting evidence.

1893
01:21:01,961 --> 01:21:03,930
We can't respond to that.
We're gagged.

1894
01:21:04,064 --> 01:21:05,198
We're investigating this.

1895
01:21:05,298 --> 01:21:07,534
If we're dirty,
the case against him is lost.

1896
01:21:07,634 --> 01:21:10,370
[Nicole] He drove up again.
Can you send somebody over?

1897
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:12,148
[Operator] Wait a minute.
What kind of car is he in?

1898
01:21:12,172 --> 01:21:13,473
[Nicole] He's in a white Bronco.

1899
01:21:13,606 --> 01:21:15,975
First of all,
he broke the back door down.

1900
01:21:16,309 --> 01:21:18,278
But they can't show us
any evidence of that.

1901
01:21:18,445 --> 01:21:20,456
[Rod] Before the speculation
that occurred out there

1902
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:23,616
among the public and experts
that one of them said

1903
01:21:23,683 --> 01:21:26,886
that this fight between
whoever the attacker was

1904
01:21:26,986 --> 01:21:30,824
and Nicole Brown Simpson
lasted at least 15 minutes.

1905
01:21:30,957 --> 01:21:32,517
- 15 minutes is a long time.
- Oh, yeah.

1906
01:21:32,559 --> 01:21:34,861
When the public
was thrown astray,

1907
01:21:34,994 --> 01:21:38,965
it messed up the timeline
because O.J. Simpson, a suspect

1908
01:21:39,099 --> 01:21:41,835
was already at the airport when
this fight is still going on,

1909
01:21:41,968 --> 01:21:43,813
alledgely type thing.
Well, let me show you something.

1910
01:21:43,837 --> 01:21:46,639
Took two homicide detectives,
put them in white,

1911
01:21:46,706 --> 01:21:48,641
used a retracted-bladed knife.

1912
01:21:48,708 --> 01:21:51,177
And the instructions were,
we want you two to fight.

1913
01:21:51,311 --> 01:21:53,480
And we want you to fight
as long as you can fight.

1914
01:21:53,546 --> 01:21:57,817
So I want to show you something
as to how long it takes

1915
01:21:57,884 --> 01:22:02,856
for this fight to occur
simulating the attack

1916
01:22:02,922 --> 01:22:04,500
and the information,
the evidence that we had

1917
01:22:04,524 --> 01:22:07,761
from the Simpson crime scene.

1918
01:22:07,861 --> 01:22:10,864
When that video starts running,
we'll say go.

1919
01:22:10,930 --> 01:22:14,200
We'll put, put it on this.
It'll all be videoed.

1920
01:22:14,334 --> 01:22:17,103
And here's your knife.

1921
01:22:17,203 --> 01:22:18,405
So watch this.

1922
01:22:18,538 --> 01:22:20,674
The cameras are going.

1923
01:22:20,740 --> 01:22:22,342
Okay, Ron Goldman walks in.

1924
01:22:22,409 --> 01:22:25,912
Here he comes.
Hey, hey, hey, hey.

1925
01:22:34,254 --> 01:22:35,455
He's stepping in the blood.

1926
01:22:35,555 --> 01:22:37,924
There you see
the projected stains.

1927
01:22:38,091 --> 01:22:39,392
Okay. How long did that take?

1928
01:22:39,526 --> 01:22:40,927
Stop time.

1929
01:22:41,094 --> 01:22:44,364
Okay, don't step in anything.
Just stay there right now.

1930
01:22:44,431 --> 01:22:46,266
Now you know how
much time that was?

1931
01:22:46,399 --> 01:22:48,401
12 seconds.

1932
01:22:48,535 --> 01:22:51,971
- How many times is he stabbed?
- 30 times.

1933
01:22:52,105 --> 01:22:53,406
How long did that take?

1934
01:22:53,540 --> 01:22:55,141
- 12 seconds.
- 12 seconds.

1935
01:22:55,241 --> 01:22:56,643
That's a long time.

1936
01:22:56,743 --> 01:22:58,921
Look how much blood is on the
person that gets attacked.

1937
01:22:58,945 --> 01:23:00,413
And this would be Ron Goldman.

1938
01:23:00,547 --> 01:23:03,583
Look how little gets on
to this person and where it was,

1939
01:23:03,650 --> 01:23:05,285
was around the socks
and the shoes.

1940
01:23:05,418 --> 01:23:06,920
I still have that clothing.

1941
01:23:07,053 --> 01:23:10,590
Took it as evidence to present
in the trial to show how little

1942
01:23:10,657 --> 01:23:13,293
blood gets on the attacker
because it forces away from

1943
01:23:13,426 --> 01:23:16,763
and here you have all the blood
that's down here.

1944
01:23:16,830 --> 01:23:19,566
This is not something
where we're just gonna

1945
01:23:19,632 --> 01:23:21,801
play around here.
No, they fought.

1946
01:23:21,935 --> 01:23:25,572
It was almost identical
to what my findings were.

1947
01:23:25,638 --> 01:23:27,073
Goldman went down.

1948
01:23:27,107 --> 01:23:29,409
The person playing Goldman
went down by the force from

1949
01:23:29,476 --> 01:23:31,678
the person that's stabbing him.

1950
01:23:31,778 --> 01:23:34,614
And his feet go up.
And he goes down.

1951
01:23:34,681 --> 01:23:36,783
And they're moving
around in the blood.

1952
01:23:36,850 --> 01:23:39,753
Smearing the blood exactly
like it was at the scene

1953
01:23:39,819 --> 01:23:44,791
for 30 stab wounds,
incised wounds in this fight.

1954
01:23:44,924 --> 01:23:48,795
There's another transfer pattern
here on the north wall,

1955
01:23:48,862 --> 01:23:51,430
which at its highest point is

1956
01:23:51,431 --> 01:23:52,508
We were very happy that
we found this amount of blood

1957
01:23:52,532 --> 01:23:56,169
one foot, four and three
quarters of an inch high.

1958
01:23:59,839 --> 01:24:03,276
[Tom] That kind of takes me
back to 3:00 AM on June 12th.

1959
01:24:03,343 --> 01:24:04,878
All this blood
and everything else.

1960
01:24:05,045 --> 01:24:08,448
Someone who gets stabbed this
many times, this viciously...

1961
01:24:08,515 --> 01:24:09,816
[Rod] This is personal, hate.

1962
01:24:09,883 --> 01:24:11,193
[Tom] Because we're
assuming if it's hate,

1963
01:24:11,217 --> 01:24:12,577
the suspect has
to know the victim.

1964
01:24:12,652 --> 01:24:13,887
[Rod] You've done the deed.

1965
01:24:14,054 --> 01:24:15,531
You've killed the people
that you went there to kill.

1966
01:24:15,555 --> 01:24:17,724
And then somebody was wrong
place, wrong time.

1967
01:24:17,824 --> 01:24:18,864
As soon as they got there,

1968
01:24:19,059 --> 01:24:20,469
I felt that, that's what
happened here.

1969
01:24:20,493 --> 01:24:21,861
This wasn't sex.

1970
01:24:22,062 --> 01:24:26,066
This wasn't theft.
This was revenge, mad, hate.

1971
01:24:26,166 --> 01:24:30,670
Notice that these projected
stains, they go out to the side,

1972
01:24:30,804 --> 01:24:33,406
those that didn't hit the
pavement hit the socks.

1973
01:24:33,506 --> 01:24:35,074
[Tom] The average person
would think there should be

1974
01:24:35,075 --> 01:24:36,652
a whole lot of blood
on him and there's not.

1975
01:24:36,676 --> 01:24:38,387
[Rod] But the victims have
a lot of blood on them.

1976
01:24:38,411 --> 01:24:39,846
Ron Goldman's covered in blood.

1977
01:24:39,979 --> 01:24:41,848
Nicole Brown Simpson
is covered in blood.

1978
01:24:41,915 --> 01:24:44,217
But the person that you
suspected, O.J. Simpson,

1979
01:24:44,351 --> 01:24:45,752
where did it have his blood?

1980
01:24:45,852 --> 01:24:48,088
On the back of the legs,
around the feet,

1981
01:24:48,188 --> 01:24:49,356
on the socks.

1982
01:24:49,489 --> 01:24:51,334
[Tom] Sure. One or two
of the jurors alluded to,

1983
01:24:51,358 --> 01:24:54,094
they said that Simpson, if he
was the killer would've been

1984
01:24:54,194 --> 01:24:55,362
covered in blood.

1985
01:24:55,428 --> 01:24:57,097
If they were shown this video,

1986
01:24:57,163 --> 01:24:58,563
they might have a
different opinion.

1987
01:24:58,598 --> 01:25:00,500
How can you
question any of this?

1988
01:25:00,567 --> 01:25:02,569
And the blood would
be on the gloves.

1989
01:25:02,702 --> 01:25:04,537
There you go.
This doesn't lie.

1990
01:25:04,604 --> 01:25:06,248
And there were a lot of
people observing it.

1991
01:25:06,272 --> 01:25:07,707
This is the grab mark.

1992
01:25:07,774 --> 01:25:09,485
[Tom] Yeah. And the Simpson
jury never got an explanation

1993
01:25:09,509 --> 01:25:10,710
for anything.

1994
01:25:10,777 --> 01:25:11,878
You know? You're right.

1995
01:25:11,945 --> 01:25:13,880
This here, in seconds,
in 12 seconds,

1996
01:25:14,047 --> 01:25:17,450
is an explanation that could
take some people a month.

1997
01:25:17,550 --> 01:25:19,386
And you did it in 12 seconds.

1998
01:25:19,519 --> 01:25:21,054
Why in the hell
I never saw this?

1999
01:25:21,087 --> 01:25:22,589
I don't know the answer to that.

2000
01:25:22,722 --> 01:25:25,792
The answer's simple.
Put it in the damn evidence.

2001
01:25:25,892 --> 01:25:27,794
The first ballot
was 10 to 2, actually.

2002
01:25:27,894 --> 01:25:31,364
And there were two holdouts that
said, we think he was guilty.

2003
01:25:31,431 --> 01:25:34,234
It didn't take but an hour and a
half for the rest of the jurors

2004
01:25:34,300 --> 01:25:36,403
to talk these two
into rolling over.

2005
01:25:36,469 --> 01:25:39,072
Juror number six just flat out
came and said,

2006
01:25:39,105 --> 01:25:41,274
I don't believe any
of the police witnesses

2007
01:25:41,374 --> 01:25:41,408
other than her door? Was it to...

2008
01:25:42,075 --> 01:25:43,285
without any further explanation.

2009
01:25:43,309 --> 01:25:44,920
They need evidence to show,
so they're like,

2010
01:25:44,944 --> 01:25:47,280
the glove has his
print on it, whatever.

2011
01:25:47,414 --> 01:25:49,249
And see the grab mark?
Look at the grab mark.

2012
01:25:49,382 --> 01:25:50,617
That's a grab mark.

2013
01:25:50,750 --> 01:25:52,628
Two of those were on the back
of Goldman's shirt.

2014
01:25:52,652 --> 01:25:55,388
All they need is one person
in that jury box to roll over

2015
01:25:55,455 --> 01:25:57,257
and say, hey,
I don't think he did it.

2016
01:25:57,390 --> 01:26:00,560
There is so much
evidence in this case.

2017
01:26:00,627 --> 01:26:01,928
[Rod] This wasn't staged.

2018
01:26:02,028 --> 01:26:03,239
I mean,
we just told them to fight.

2019
01:26:03,263 --> 01:26:04,330
[Tom] It's rage.

2020
01:26:04,431 --> 01:26:08,101
[Rod] Rage, fear,
revenge, theft or sex.

2021
01:26:08,234 --> 01:26:12,105
It all fits.
It all fits.

2022
01:26:13,273 --> 01:26:16,943
Everybody says today, they say,
he'd have been covered in blood.

2023
01:26:17,043 --> 01:26:18,321
Yeah, look at
the projected stain.

2024
01:26:18,345 --> 01:26:19,779
Look at the projected stains.

2025
01:26:19,846 --> 01:26:21,424
[Tom] If I was in the jury
looking at this,

2026
01:26:21,448 --> 01:26:23,492
I can say, well, maybe he
wouldn't be covered in blood.

2027
01:26:23,516 --> 01:26:24,751
You know?

2028
01:26:24,818 --> 01:26:27,153
That would be my responsibility
to explain that.

2029
01:26:27,287 --> 01:26:30,056
Of course, we never saw it.

2030
01:26:30,123 --> 01:26:32,625
We never saw it.

2031
01:26:34,761 --> 01:26:37,297
Nine months of this
and you take four hours

2032
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:40,300
to come to a decision,
two of those being lunch.

2033
01:26:40,367 --> 01:26:42,335
I don't care whether
he was guilty or not guilty,

2034
01:26:42,469 --> 01:26:43,937
that means you
didn't ask questions.

2035
01:26:44,070 --> 01:26:46,673
You didn't ask for inquiries
in this, that or the other.

2036
01:26:46,806 --> 01:26:48,341
Were they napping?
I don't know.

2037
01:26:48,475 --> 01:26:50,119
[Reporter] Juror number one
shocked the court

2038
01:26:50,143 --> 01:26:53,279
by handing over the verdict.

2039
01:26:54,814 --> 01:26:56,149
[Tom] Look at the evidence.

2040
01:26:56,216 --> 01:27:01,321
A supposition is not evidence.
Evidence is evidence.

2041
01:27:01,388 --> 01:27:04,290
Come back this soon,
they have found him guilty.

2042
01:27:04,357 --> 01:27:07,394
And no one can tell me
they looked at this evidence

2043
01:27:07,494 --> 01:27:10,330
with any amount
of curiosity, period.

2044
01:27:10,463 --> 01:27:14,034
Some fancy lawyer throws a bunch
of nine dollar words at you.

2045
01:27:14,134 --> 01:27:16,236
And you're like, boy,
he sounds really good.

2046
01:27:16,336 --> 01:27:18,571
He can't be lying
or whatever else. He's lying.

2047
01:27:18,672 --> 01:27:21,041
How could anyone say
that he didn't do it?

2048
01:27:21,074 --> 01:27:24,577
There's absolutely no doubt
in my mind that O.J. Simpson

2049
01:27:24,678 --> 01:27:27,847
killed Nicole and Ron.
There's no doubt.

2050
01:27:28,048 --> 01:27:29,816
[Woman] Not guilty
of the crime of murder.

2051
01:27:29,883 --> 01:27:31,685
[cheering]

2052
01:27:31,818 --> 01:27:33,086
[Woman] It made me very sad.

2053
01:27:33,186 --> 01:27:35,464
I felt very sad for the families
watching their reactions.

2054
01:27:35,488 --> 01:27:37,857
If we go back
in history 100 years,

2055
01:27:38,058 --> 01:27:41,695
I've never seen
anything like this.

2056
01:27:57,844 --> 01:27:59,746
I don't care what people think.

2057
01:27:59,879 --> 01:28:02,615
But if you really care and you
wanna know what happened,

2058
01:28:02,716 --> 01:28:06,052
dig a little deeper
and see what happened.

2059
01:28:06,186 --> 01:28:08,455
Do your own edition.

2060
01:28:08,722 --> 01:28:10,099
[Mark] I would like you
to listen carefully.

2061
01:28:10,123 --> 01:28:13,026
If you don't understand
anything, tell me, okay?

2062
01:28:13,059 --> 01:28:15,528
Mr. Simpson, you have the
right to remain silent.

2063
01:28:15,595 --> 01:28:17,206
If you give up the right
to remain silent,

2064
01:28:17,230 --> 01:28:19,041
anything you say can and will
be used against you

2065
01:28:19,065 --> 01:28:20,734
in a court of law.